just tried it as 5, just pulled during lane and blocked their chance of contesting it with spark wraiths.. didnt seem bad
I def underperformed on the hero as it was literally my first time playing it, but might try spamming it some more till im good with it
that limitless drum is actually a bug. its not supposed to be like that, the clone has his own cooldowns and basically its another hero. like if u use bkb on clone the duration will decrease in next usages despite the real one still has 10 second bkb, same should go with drums but because drum can be recharged the coding going to be a little bit challenging for lazy valve devs
i agree i always seen arc with pos 4 potential never understood why it hasnt been plaed with that, the hero has 4 spells all active without any items, id take that before a pos 4 mirana with maelstorm any day of the week.
Well i only won 1 in 4 games with the hero at this point, tbh can't tell if its the hero sucks, i suck, or my team staying in well before 10 minutes.. first game everybody played properly, second game i played like shit third and fourth game people just gave up before the game even begun.
1-12-4
0-8-0
CAKE UU
who is this guy??
blaming team for giving up? L-M-F-A-O
breaking items ?? L-M-F-A-O
so weak actually, imagine breaking your items in 10k behavior game cause ppl bullying you. yikes. u will break apart if u play in hidden pool man.
I dropped my items when they were hitting throne? and at least 4 of those deaths were after team had gone afk.. soo i think your point is moot
But yeah im pretty sure i suck with the hero as well. The 1-12-4 game was legit just me sucking.
The 0-8, and 0-6 were also me sucking but team had given up (afk fountain) at which point yeah i do think its justifiable to blame team a bit, as would of loved to see how it turns out later into the game (the part where i think the hero could potentially shine). Multiple of my deaths were after that point as I carried on playing alone to get more practice with the hero.
Would i break in hidden pool? Probably, don't think i'd play to be honest, it's a game for me and i play to have fun, not to be tormented by internet children.
>Not rolling Atos Meteor Hammer on Arc Warden 4
Shame on you
edit: you know you can stack insanely easy with warden by just throwing a spark wraith at 54.5 right?
Yup, stacked quite a few camps with it. Think my biggest challenge even before itemization is being actually useful in lane
What worked quite well for me in the first game, was blocking hard camp and pulling and blocking the entry with sparks so they couldnt contest the pulls, found on dire the choke points werent as viable
hahaha i downloaded some replay of gameplays kowareta, hes funny af when it comes to griefing, cant really see why his behavior score is as low at it is but i bet its because most carry players most likely want a baby sitting pos 5.
hahaha actually responding a troll comment , weirdchamp
having fun ?! maybe consider others too in your decisions? maybe your teammates want to have fun and trying new stuff in ranked mode might be against it?? why not trying it on normal games? or maybe just stack with 4 other amazing humanbeings like yourself and having fun trying new stuff.
the pudge player sitting in trees trying to land a hook having fun too but meanwhile the game is a nightmare for his teammates :)
@kazooie
i dont really understand what you trying to achieve here. its actually really sad watching you running around trying to make a sarcastic sentence including "behavior score" and "kowareta".
are you up to a challenge? lets compare our summaries. send a screen of your incoming match reports. im pretty sure there is not much difference between me and you. behavior score system is fucked up, behaving good is not rewarding. system is biased against reports. if u have 1-2 bad game in 15 and get 3 reports your behavior score wont change at all. if u tilt in the third one and start flaming ppl bam u lose behavior.
I guess some people are just different kowareta, i don't think i've ever been annoyed by a pick (apart from enemy techies). I do however understand your point, and maybe to them i am ruining the game (though i guess i found my pet peeve, and it's people just giving up).
I guess i'm just selfish, because i probably will still carry on picking unorthodox picks in ranked but for the time being i think i'll put the arc warden on the shelf for the sake of everybody else.
OP I won a game with a pos 5 Shadow Fiend in the team yesterday or the day before, so (almost) anything is possible in this game I guess. Just practice in unranked first for the sake of everyone's mmr.
I guess some people are just different kowareta,
but i see even ppl in your 10k behavior score games still giving up because of your pick. i dont think ppl are much different. some ppl are just louder and they are not shy to express their feelings towards others.
@kowareta im not spamming mirana anymore because people have strong opinions of her as pos 4, not everyone but some of them just stop play.
Arc Warden has his viablities in a support role however fundamentally, He's just significantly better as a core- An exploitable 280 ms one at that.
I'd much rather see an arc anyday over a pos 4 sniper.
'drums - Meteor hammer - Vessle etc' i'm 99% sure thats the wrong build.
The only way to play arc 4, i repeat the only. way. Is to Frontline suicide bomber.
Blademail - Bracers - Health talent - Str treads - Stick.
You walk in, double blademail and die for the boys.
If ur farmed, You're now a permanant necrobook- psudo core who just shoves the dead lane with books.
4's are meant to start fights, you can't start a fight with some drums aura shit.
When it comes to laning - Your aim is to force 2x 1v1's .. arc trades quite favorably in a 1v1 yet he sucks major balls in a 2v2. Play on the outskirts and control pulls.
Arc's going to inheritly pair well with any carry that can suddenly change the creep equilibrium - Eg. Gyro, jug, slark - As opposed to 'Naix, PL, PA' .
hypotetically, lets say you're ''void, Arc'' vs Bristle/axe/cent + anything, No matter what you try and do you'll never be able to flux anything nor force 1v1's.
you'd literally just be spending all your time trying to wraith range creeps.
If you have a hero however that can shove lanes/farm stacks, then maybe you're in a better position.
eg.
axe + willow vs Gyro + arc.
on arc you can outrange the willow optimistically trade 2-1 hits with her.
The axe's safest choice is to lane directly in front of you and contest farm due to ''rocket barrage'' and ''flux'' dealing ludicrous damage when only targeting 1 unit.
Anytime the lane is pushing under your tower, you should be stacking camps away from the xp range. (gameplan is to get your much needed levels/xp when him or mid goes to farm stacks) -
Lets say, hypothetically you get lvl 3 at the same time, relatively even lane and both parties are sitting 70% hp.
It is very easy once a creep wave meets to place Spark wraiths behind someone. Even if they see it, the usual mindset is 'the next creepwave will run into it and tank them' Lets say 2 wraiths.
If your gyro is actively flacking the wave - While you're attempting to zone the axe.
There is a good chance you can create either a double wave ''generally bad vs axe'' - or a ''Dead - Shoved wave'' that with no creeps sets you a KILL opportunity - Lining up for flux/rocket barrage and Cutting off their escape with wraiths.
This works with anyone who can shove the lane in quick succession/take stacks.
--- It's not great, There's better 4's, But its not unplayable.
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Scenario two -
'PL + arc - Vs Mars Clockwork'
your lane will be permanently controlled due to gods rebuke, Which means you have 0 killthreat unless they over extend.
You cannot create 1v1's because clockwork eats you.
You cannot leave PL alone, all you can do is stand next to him under your tower in a shoved lane and tickle the clock/mars with wraiths and auto attacks..
TL:DR - It works, Blademail is the single best item bar none.
Only pick it if your carry has very good wave shove or you become a wet noodle.
Edit. (Punctuation)
@kowareta
https://imgur.com/a/1koCwhh ( after 10 wins 5 losses), no experiment games, no mirana either.
https://imgur.com/a/mI2d2GC (after 4 lwins and 11 losses) 5 experiment games with wr, 3 mirana picks and a sniper one.
https://imgur.com/a/yIRGMwg (after 7 wins 8 losses) 4 mirana with 2 games of game ruining, one wr experiemnt gained 10 behavior score with 5 reports
Lost about 80 behavior score which i find totally fine, you shouldnt really experiment during ranked games and sadly not play my mirana either imo.
Well since this thread turned into a behavior score thread let me give everyone a piece of advice. For commending. ONLY COMMEND FRIENDLY PEOPLE DO NOT COMMEND SOMEONE FOR PLAYING WELL THEY MIGHT STILL BE A TOXIC PERSON. They dont deserve to be at 10k behavior bracket just for playing well.
@Jack Attack
shut the f up please, i have 11080 commends in 5785 games. 1.9 commend per game or better to say avg 28 commends per summary (15 games). i wonder if commends matters how am i 3.4k behavior score then!!!
He's so bad rn cause of the snowball meta for the past months. He ain't no strong dominator in the first minutes either. He gets easily bullied by any good mid, even Zeus. His 6 is good for solo kill potential though in the laning stage but any good team will react to that. There's no early game item that enables him and Midas is just a bad item at the moment. Currently, he's bad at 1/2 cause you can pressure him and he can't do anything, he can't jungle as fast as other cores when he leaves for jungle early at around 7/8 minutes. I like the idea of playing him as a 4 tho, he can defend well early and can slow 2x. Rushing atos will help him be more a menace as a 4.
Well, I just make him as pos 5 (again) and it's really lucky we won that game. Maybe max his first skill make him good support, I guess?
i demoralized my team with first picking chen on my way from 4k to 6k. lets be honest, they werent human anyway, concept of demoralizing doesnt count for animals
ah yes you are right, alleviate blame for your toxicity by reducing your teammates to subhuman level, the old classic.
chen should be good in the previous and maybe current push meta? lets see if he remains leaderboard when meta changes
lol, keep dreaming miserable sadoo, from the day i start playing chen he just got nerfs. yet it doesnt matter. your pick doesnt matter. if u have normal human being functioning brain you can reach 7k mmr with playing any hero
aimstrong said the same, "lol this guy lost 5 games , he cant win with chen when they nerfed it to the ground", here i am, and there he is.
true that, but ur not good enough playing heroes out of meta and reach leaderboards, the chen has been favored in previous meta, and perhaps current im not sure about this one, hotd still op and if u have teamplay it should be pretty strong
Chen is good but kowereta isn’t I guess xd
Also everytime I poke fun at you all u say is “wow so stupid.” Relax bro at least find a good comeback or retort like you did on that other thread so it’ll be funny
well lets show u another joke about this amazing system
so basically, i had 5 reporst in a summary and i only lost 100 score, probably because i was winning games and got 19 commends. ok fair enough.
but in the latest one, i just have 3 reports but because im on losing streak im not getting any commends. i lost 400 score.
so based on this data, behavior score only determines your behavior krappa, i behave very bad in one summary but because i win and get commends -> i dont lose that much. i behave normal have ups and downs like everybody else, not a 10k player so i have 1 com abuse like most of dota players, oh well u are on lose streak lets drop your behavior cause u have not reached minimum required commends this time.
look at this another joke:
look at this balanced matchmaking, ranked 800, a huskar spammer smurf on mid against my div 5 slark mid :)))))))
unbelievable.
low behavior score bracket man, i know ur good man dont let your anger get to you. just play your agme and ignore the others
and yet sry guys for being smarter than you, but it hurts my brain when this kinda stuff happening to me and thats make me angry and eventually toxicer. all i wanted was playing a dota game and thats what i got, 7k mmr player against 5k. great job!!!
but yet these idiots gonna pick necro and keepo into techis maiden? immortal palyers?`
maybe u should start coaching a bit? i think it will impact you positively u know alot players respect leaderboards player and boost your confidence. then u get stronger mentally too and can deal with toxicity more.
when i started dota i couldnt handle the toxicity of this game cuz i was in college and the hierarchy lets u down its not very fun to come home and play a game where everyone tells u ur a loser.
once start working and actually get commends from coworker helps alot.
People like Kowareta make me glad I'm not in a super high skill bracket. That's pretty toxic af
More games than you, but I've accepted that I've plateau in skill. I play the game to have fun. Toxicity is the opposite of fun.
well one of my roommates had fun running down middle, swapping teammates to enemies with venge, denying/stealing aegis. i bet u the pma guy wont even get angry if that happen to you in ranked game, cause u respect other peoples fun as much as u expect others respect your fun, am i right?
Shut the fuck up, Arc Warden is the best hero, and she is so op.
Look at my winrate on Arc Warden.
The only good thing about Arc Warden support is his early game zoning with Spark Wraith + his long attack range + Magnetic Field ranged trading. He can prevent their supports' positioning by the tree lines for safety, and make the enemy laners double think about chasing CS by placing a Wraith past the creepwave. He also serves as an occasional anti-range attacker "counter" and against LC's duel through Magnetic Field. But he's very very underwhelming after that phase of the game without some sort of lead.
He may have good high ground defense but what kind of draft prioritizes that? Who wants a support with barely any disable? Who wants a support with barely any teamfight potential, especially in this meta?
Pretty good solo kill potential though.
Anyway, Arc support is unconventionally fun. I picked him in the past when my rank was lower. Ofc, anything can work in that bracket as well as the existence of a differing meta so it was whatever. These midas changes suck though = =.
Any hero can "work". The difference is how good they are in certain factors/role, your mmr bracket and your skill level of the hero. Like my past games.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5393332370 <- Smurf that played w/ smurfs. Game was a stomp since only 3 Dire laned. LC keeps focusing me though I sometimes react with Tempest Double. Treant was afking cour snipe + NC Alch = =.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5183771957 <- Smurf that played w/ smurfs and that one immortal dude.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3541760526
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3419661354
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3247618554
Don't pick in ranked lul.
kowa idiot reta can u please jsut play turbos and swap commends without saying anything
turbos? why? are u planning to kill me from cancer? low behavior turbo players are the real cancer ones. u cant even imagine what these ppl are.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/153433446
this is the guy i had in turbo games when i was NS HS, he is still spamming turbos and getting low periority, just imagine the cancer he bring with his existence
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/36310098
and this is the guy i will get in my team if i try turbo nowadays. just take a look at their both steam profiles.
they both getting banned in turbo mode, can u imagine that? im 100% sure if the most pma guy around play with these animals he cant stay any positive for more than 5 minutes.
so sad there was no event like frosthaven this year where everyone just played it for about 10 mins to get the daily bonus and swap commends
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I was thinking could make an awesome 4, with unlimited drums, spirit vessel, crazy attack speed bonus on carries with evasion from ranged, and even a double pipe (800 magic block).. so decided to go watch some arc warden games..
Not a single game currently with arc warden, so.. is it really THAT bad?