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General DiscussionHow to counter lich juggernaut lane as an offlaner

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Deimos

    Any ideas as how to counter this lane as a solo offlaner

    Murranji

      Pretty much nothing counters it. It’s the most bullshit lane duo. Frost shield needs a big nerf early levels, like 3/4/5/6 second scaling duration. 6 second slow/120 damage nuke at level 1. Typical icefraud “balance”.

      Best you can take is a hero with an escape (qop Mirana timbersaw etc) so you don’t feed kills. Jug will be guaranteed farm though.

      Mr. Berelli, Mr. Burelli,...

        Dual lane with oracle maybe.. but yeah super busted

        JDF8

          suck xp and block creeps lol. if u get to pick ur offlaner pick a hero like weaver or ds who will never die to the combo

          AnŦaiN

            Void can do it i believe . Dunno about ds but weaver also ^^^

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            AnŦaiN

              This lane is more about positioning then actual fight . U gotta approach it as such :
              Block their pull camp . While pull the hard camp and stay on the bounty rune side for escape , shift the equilibirium to ur side then farm and contest otherwise go jungle or soak exp . I remember dying 8 times to it .

              сука блять - 凸( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)凸

                you are solo offlane against jugg and lich., then go farm dont get too far from ur tower when farming

                Farzad

                  Pick oracle or shadow demon for offlane .Theoretically oracle make their combo useless cause can purge frostshield and shadow demon will banish enemy or his allies to avoid their combo.Oracle is underrated support.(don't judge me from my rank I play dota as hobby with my friends.)

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                  Marko Bulat

                    Doom! His first gives retarded HP regen, get basilus fast, plus if you get lucky with Satyr you dont give a fuck about bladefury or lich or anything really you just gonna stand there and laugh.

                    Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                      Get the lich XD, I am 100% sure that its the most braindead support rn

                      MuLLi

                        Go cut the waves if u are axe. Virtus pro did it in pro scene and farmed all lane creeps+jungle creeps same time

                        Tu tayta

                          Guys, he's asking as a solo offlaner, why are you even suggesting Oracle or Shadow Demon?

                          Hanen

                            From the perspective of a support player. There's a few ways I would do it.

                            You could focus on harassing the lich rather than Jug.

                            The next 1 is a little risky to pull off. But makes sense in a way. If Jug tries to spin you stop moving you know you're dead with lich around. Stay close to an entrance of a juking spot stop and Auto attack the heck out of him along with your lane carry if possible, then, whatever happens next depends on jug's skill cap. They might me weary that you have something up your sleeve because you aren't running & back off to try to reposition themself. If you survived until the spin is over by some sort of miracle start juking into the woods immediately.

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                            shady_stuff

                              lc woods sir
                              tbh i think windrunner is pretty good here, u wont die, and powershot guarantees you wont get get completely denied to hell. that's a won lane in my opinion if u are a solo offlaner against a jug + lich lane

                              qwerty

                                Ask your fucking supports where the hell are they? A change in lane is the solution. 1v1 offlane isn't so bad. Fuck lower bracket, man. They are just making the game harder for themselves. The one error you are doing is fighting them. You can pull nc to your creeps. Or better yet creep cut the next waves and drag them into your tower.

                                SirIronSights

                                  ^stop swearing so much sir, its making me uncomfortable

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                                  Talker

                                    I don’t see some insane strength in this combo, which should destroy pretty much any decent lane. Its not like it is some ogre+rhasta+slark, who will kill you on sight. I see it that you need 3 things:
                                    1) Tanky offlaner who is able to survive the combo (Doom, Tide, Beast/Cent)
                                    2) Support who will be harassing lich (dazzle/Sky/Grim/venge/undying)
                                    3) Enough regen (salve+6 tangos) to get back into the wave right after they use it first time.

                                    Actually it can be good to take a lot of regen + windlace – for example Tide has 300 basic MS, while Jugg 295 and Lich 310 – so with windlane you are pretty much guaranteed that if this combo doesn’t kill you, you will outrun them.

                                    Or just pick Axe. Ideally + aggressive support (skywrath/dazzle/?), go skip lane and they can’t do shit to you unless they send 3 heroes to deal with you (while your wave is pushing into enemy tower). If Axe gets all XP from first wave, he will have lvl 2 (spin+slow) and with support have kill potential on lich. They will probably ask for rotation which will be useless unless there will be 3 (or 4 heroes). Once they come and you die, just go there again, as they cant have there 3-4 heroes all game long – one lane would be empty (jugg/mid moving to you).

                                    Other solution is to pick broodmother for solo offlane and not give a shit about their combo, because you will always run into trees and at lvl 3-4 you will move behind their tower and farm their lane + jungle (and they will not be able to do shit to you).

                                    poggies

                                      30 second cool down.... pick weaver, Mirana if u see a jug. Both can carry diffusal later which counters him and they are good in lane too. Alternatively you can go with ursa+undying or something

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                                      Tribo

                                        Why dont u just pick a hero who's tanky and can stack bracers(2) like sven? Even axe is decent as well since he can use berserk's call so jug can hit him(stay at the same position) and he can escape.

                                        Road to 0 MMR

                                          ogre and mirana or like a windrunner. ogre is pretty tanky, and burn that lich to hell. he can also can take some dmg. mirana is able to get out and dish some dmg.

                                          Sixe史吏

                                            Why do you insist on solo offlane vs. this? It's a strong kill combo and you should be prepared it to meet it with a defensive dual lane or a kill lane of your own. Your kill lane should focus lich (because Jugg has no CC).

                                            If you insist on solo laning, get an escape hero or bristle with wand->hood. However, for bristle, you need to be careful until L3. Try to sap EXP until then and use your spells to get LHs when away from tower.

                                            Inflation Agent

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                                              vygin

                                                Oracle first spell

                                                La Joya

                                                  1. Pick axe
                                                  2. Ask one of your supps to go dual lane with you
                                                  3. ????
                                                  4. Profit

                                                  La Joya

                                                    Cause solo offlane is shit on this patch

                                                    Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                      you pick someone with really high hp. axe is a good one, i also like tiny and maybe centaur. alternatively you can get a long range hero like mirana but i dont recommend it in the current meta.