Some int heroes are good shouts imo.
Necro with heartstopper to negate their 3rd, Silencer maxing wisdom, Sky with his annoying skill spams.
doom is tanker worst nightmare with his infernal blade, death prophet siphon and enigma midnight pulse, or any max hp based dmg heroes
necro sucks against those heroes. necro is good against heroes with no sustain so you can slowly kill them. against dk and timber you cant do that. silencer is okay, but it wont be enough against timber, not sure about dk. skywrath mage is again, decent, but way too mana intensive too keep up.
Heroes with stackable attacks like Huskar, Ursa, Bat, even MK, can kill these "IM A FAT F*** ATTACK ME IDC" heroes (DK, Timber, Underlord, Centaur, Axe, LC, etc)
Viper rapes these heroes guys. His nethertoxin takes away passives. AKA the only thing keeping DK and Timber alive. Your welcome
Viper absolutely destroys dk after like level 5. Viper is not nearly as good against timber as he is against dk because break only prevents new stacks, it doesn't remove current ones. Timber also has a mobility spell to get him out of break. The reason Viper is good against Timber is because he has a ton of magic damage.
If their solo just three lane and don't let the creeps be pushed especially against timber
You don't need a hero to manfight them. Just ask your pos 4/5 to buy an urn and that's it. If you're asking for a good lineup vs them, then pick heroes like OD who counters them both or huge magic dmg dealers like zeus.
how is sniper good vs timber? sniper attacks quickly for small amounts of dmg which just means tons of stacks for timber.
I think medusa is pretty good, just suck away all their mana. You won't kill them but you can limit what they can do.
OD maybe cus he hits hard with magic dmg.
The big thing with timber it seems is to have support zone him early. He's pretty weak the first couple levels but after like 4-5 good luck killing him.
Mannnn nobody said viper.... you literally put one point into w and their passive is just gone
err you just compete for lasthits instead (?)
or if you really wanna fuck with their laning stage that bad pick lane dominating heroes instead like razor viper or lina
or heck go ursa mid if you really wanna watch them fail
or i mean, just pick whatever you want and ask your 3/4/5 to pick up a spirit vessel later in the game
U can pick od and ursa and still suck and lose but also can pick worst carry and win
U gotta win the first minute of laning primarily level1, then keep the lane back and deny everything. That's the reliable way.
If u cant do that cuz of ur hero or u fucked up lvl1&2 u plan for leaving that lane asap either by getting level or gold for ur item u need for jungling or rotating to other lanes with heroes like void or even clinkz who have smth that can synergize with smth else in team and get kills. U wont go back to that dk/timber lane until u see them leave
Ahd after laning just dodge em till u need to fight for an important objective. No fighting them before that. Probably a good idea in some scenarios to burst others in fights before them so they're left alone and it's not as hard to deal with em
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Since their 3rd make them like a walking tank