General Discussioni forgot how to not die in the offlane

Have you tried destroying the enemy ancient?

I doubt there is any 5.5k+ offlaner that hangs out here anyway

yes i have, sadly realized that it is impossible to destroy the enemy ancient in the first 2 minutes of the game.

so my own answer can not help me

Have you tried to analysis your replay?

LOL. You literally just requested help from ZDonFrank.

i thought zdon is a safelaner or something.

i did watch some replays, but i don't wanna spend 5 hours figuring everything out myself when i could just find the answer here, possibly.

Have you tried destroying the enemy ancient?

yes i have, in fact it worked last game.

the enemy ancient did get destroyed.

At high levels of play the matchup is very important. So do u have a specific matchup in mind cooky

well, i'm off.

if anyone feels like answering feel free to.

edit: matchup: slardar vs a standard 5-6k trilane

No. He is an off laner. See his role break down. Get ready to be memed.

i don't really care if i win/lose(destroy the enemy ancient or mine gets destroyed), i've been recently just testing out laning theories.

most of them ended up in me feeding the enemy, so if anyone got good ideas i don't mind testing them out.

I totally forgot about frank
Didn't see him in a while tho

Frank only plays Riki. Tell him to only comment when he gets 6k on another hero in the offlane. Otherwise his advice is useless

anyone got good ideas

Seems like fucking the equilibrium and get it to your tower, talon and eat the side camp while defending the tower, spend mana and use shrine are the only options
But then again I doubt anyone can be 5.5k without knowing this anyway

yep, that's why i said imma ignore lower mmr players.

because they just say things i already obviously know.

you mean like steal the creeps from behind the enemy t1 tower?

Thanks kitrak, well said

what's 100-0? 100-0 as in kill me instantly?

edit: thanks man, just needed this answer

can you give me an example of what do you mean with knowing the opponents goal?

most of the time they play it the same, they set up the carry with 1-2 levels above me and then leave to roam.

If you know you can analysis and help yourself but you too lazy to do -
You are no different then thouse 1-2Ks that didn't want to practice LH and asking for magic trick in Dotabuff xD

just go jungle !! better than offlane la

any of my recent games, example: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2998818882

@1iceTea yea i know i can do that, i just don't want to spend 10 hours practicing 1v3 laning.

edit, changed game. if i recall the old game i posted was a dual start lane and then i was left to solo.

just pick any of my recent games

in most games i die in the first 5 minutes

its no problem if get one or two deaths if u get something in return ; kill on suport , waves are pushing in, or even couple lvl so u can farm small jungle
batrider is safe bet for offlane

Have you tried asking yr support to help you and after that you two roam a bit?

I hope to absorb these tips like a sponge.

pick decent offlaners like mirana, phönix, timber?
i think solo lich offlane is nice too -> u get good xp, and force the creeps to fight near ur tower + spam frost nova. unfortunately lich is not relevant late game.

idk, it feels like u can just play super safe in this patch and still get lvls and a bit of farm in any case

pick decent offlaners like mirana, phoenix, timber

i dieded

@cookie what are some best offlaners to spam in 4k bracket ?

Invoker

@triplesir how do u copy that ? When i copy text and paste it does not get that font with different box lol

@ triple dunno why u dieded. name me a trilane that could kill mirana or phönix in lane reliably

its a bbcode command [quоte] [/quоte]

mirana/phoenix offlane are generally garbage, not cz they die, they are just shit

phoenix rarely works, mirana never does

its not only about surviving like it was couple of years ago, atm u r supposed to get levels, farm and mid- and lategame impact as an offlaner

probably i am the worst ever to answer here (i dunno who things work in vhs) but i personally go jungle when i feel like i will only die in offlane and rotate/return to the lane when i get few items

@kr

not meaning to hijack this thread, but why is slardar's playstyle of "i can leave lane early" not favored anymore? ever since 7.00 hit ive started seeing support slardars work in higher mmr. what gives?

I have also been struggling in 1v3 lanes lately as a Slardar. That's why I go jungle against strong lanes when the first wave hits to come back later at level 2 and a half.
Looking forward to see you improve to copy your playstyle lul

the solution to a hard lane is to go roam with slardar????? and not jungle?

if they have only one stun ie rubick dazzle jug/ls wait for lift and tp out

i spend a lot of time between t3 and t1 blocking creeps, also half the time i use the obs to give vision of them trying to gank me in my camps

i try to minimize early purchases so i can get talon from passive gold if both supports decide to suck their carrys dick for 8 minutes

roamings great but you kinda want boots and then u dont have talon so its a risk imo. still probably better than jungle in some games

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