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Roaming MK in General Discussion
Shou

    Whats the skill and item build. I know its lvl 1 tree jump, but after that not sure. Also what to get after phase echo, just transition into carry or buy more utility items or a mix of both? Does it depend on the game? Blightstone or OoV or both?

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    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

      usually stout + oov but depends on where you roam

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      Shou

        So starting stout oov and ward and faerie fire?

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          dunce

            Oov, transform into a courier and simply walk up to enemy midder and start hitting him
            If the guy u are ganking has low movement speed like invoker for example, you can take passive lvl 1

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            1-IceTea 🌟

              Get level 1 tree jump get 3rd get first max 3rd.
              When you can tank the dmg just jump in and hit em your 3rd is imba abuse it while it haven't drop off

              Shou

                Thing is i feel like u wud need multiple points in stun because it scales now.

                Salmão Cream Cheese e Ceb...

                  does it really work?

                  Shou

                    Yes ive seen roaming mk before its like roaming riki only at lvl 1 ur way more mobile and u have a 40% slow for 4 seconds lvl 1.

                    Shou

                      Thx for the nonexistent help

                      Johnny Rico

                        I think going, stout Orb of Venom and faerie fires, them go mid from the back just to harass, them buy smoke, you should go phase > vanguard > echo, them go lockdown itens to you can solo pick someone on the back of teamfights.

                        Shou

                          Vanguard? Da fuq

                          Johnny Rico

                            so you get abyssal later, plus the hp regen is good if you are just walking around the map, and clearing some camps between ganks.

                            Shou

                              Why do u need hp regen when u have shrines? The dmg block is also completely uneeded, and u wont even make full abyssal every game.

                              Johnny Rico

                                ^you can dive towers whitout a problem, and shrines have a very long CD, dive one tower go to shrine, dive another go to shrine, bam all shrines on cd, need to go to base, lose important time walking around instead of farming creeps, and giving your team map control.

                                If you want to gank, you cant relly on shrines, they were made mainly for your laners, and team ganks, so the whole team can use the heal , thats why all good gankers and roamers of the game buy some sort of regen item.

                                You need to be active, walking around the map without doing nothing wont make you win the game, buy a talon too so you can kill some big creeps.

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                                Shou

                                  Vanguard isnt a regen item its 2000 gold. If its that bad buy a bottle.

                                  Shou

                                    Or a pms if u want dmg block for some reason

                                    Johnny Rico

                                      but you will get basher at some point because of the ult, them you up into abyssal so you can solo pick people.

                                      Shou

                                        If u want to upgrade it later then do it later. There isnt a reason to sacrifice ur early gank potential, the whole point of roaming mk, just so u can upgrade it. Its like buying force staff on sniper cuz u will buy upgrade it to pike.

                                        Shou

                                          Ive been seeing diffusal, basher, sb etc, but never any utility items like a vlads or something. Maybe drums or helm? But ye from what ive seen those r skipped. But r they viable? Is it ok or good to go for utility?

                                          Johnny Rico

                                            Its like buying force staff on sniper cuz u will buy upgrade it to pike. like you buy lance first, tham staff after?

                                            Helm can be good, it should be a alternative to vanguard, the aura is broken.

                                            basement :)

                                              I went 1/5 (w/l) with roaming MK. Never again.

                                              Fee Too Pee

                                                why not vlad as MK? its give sustain to your farm creeps and you are roaming anyway better give those auras. what do u think daddy?

                                                Luxon

                                                  I think you can't afford to not have 2 second stun on level 7 as a roaming MK. Also in a lot of situations you might better go for passive instead of W on level 1.

                                                  Shou

                                                    I like the idea of vlads just never seen anyone pick it up. And cuck and roll u literally just proved my point, that it u buy LANCE first on sniper the same way u buy BASHER first on mk.

                                                    Shou

                                                      Ye the tree hop is rlly good for deep warding and scouting, and if ur team has dmg. I think the passive lvl 1 is kinda weird to pull off. U wud have to buy a smoke right?

                                                      Johnny Rico

                                                        Daddy you indian retard that fucks animals and family members, i like vanguard on mk, just like i like vanguard on pa, both of these heroes are squishy, but do a lot of dmg, i dont think you get it how vanguard changes the way you play it, most of the time if you stun PA and MK he dies within 3-4 secs, especially after 15 minutes, Vanguard is the best item for its cost, that gives HP, HP regen, and some sort of DMG negation.

                                                        Most low level players disregard item choices in some heroes because they have a mentality that the item is not made for a carry, or this is a sup item, if you think that go play LoL (since the LoL meta is made by the devs and not by the players), because Dota is all about being able to build your hero and your items as the best fit for the scenario that you are playing.

                                                        You can build a multitude of items Helm, Vlads, Vanguard, i just like the option to build the vanguard in a roaming right clicker, that has a survivability problem, if you didnt get you are a retard.

                                                        casual gamer

                                                          man just because you like a build doesnt mean it's good

                                                          Johnny Rico

                                                            ^thats what i said, its my preference and those are my reasons to do it.

                                                            But if you just want to kill someone walk to the base i dont see the need for any itens other than boots.

                                                            Shou

                                                              Omfg im not saying u cant build it, but ur reasons r completely braindead. Vanguard pa makes sense cuz she has no survivability but mk has 50% lifesteal with bonus dmg. The hp regen is so little, u can just buy a bottle to cover that if u need it. Im not talking abt ur so called meta, im talking abt legit reasons. To me it just seems like u keep responding saying the same thing without considering the counter response, and when u have no other way to win the argument u just resolve to acuse me of being closed minded and get on ur high horse to seem like the good guy. Ur behavior is honestly the most irritating thing ever. Ur debate skills r literally negative.
                                                              TL;DR: im not saying u cant build it, just that its wrong, so prove ur damn point if ur gonna argue abt it with me.

                                                              >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

                                                                Hook is a diehard dota fan. I love that. I love dota fans. But he is a retard. I do not like retards.

                                                                Anyway, for MK build Phase Deso/SB depending on the game.

                                                                If you are roaming, well... the way I play him is E first, then Q, then W, then I focus on maxing Q first, and never get his ult until level 7 or 8 or even 9, but getting it at 9 would be a very rare circumstance.

                                                                I average 14 - 20 kills, but I have a 22% win rate with him currently (I will bump it up to 50 - 60 soon). He can snowball so hard, but make sure to end, because just like QoP, he falls off hard. If your team is playing FaceBook Farmville, then do what you can before the enemy team starts raping your vagina. (reason I have 22% win rate) My first 3 games I sucked ass with him. I only have 9 games with him but the way I play him works out for me.

                                                                Shou

                                                                  Thx. What do u build on roaming mk tho? Do u mix in a utility item like drums, vlads, maybe even a hood against ember? Maybe diffusal too?

                                                                  Мама, за такого бандита

                                                                    build for roaming mk is the same as for any mk

                                                                    Shou

                                                                      Ye but do u rlly need all the dmg? Cuz i wud assume ur carries can provide plenty of it.

                                                                      >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

                                                                        Ye but do u rlly need all the dmg? Cuz i wud assume ur carries can provide plenty of it.

                                                                        Yes, I guess. Your Q is a free Crit&Stun based off your damage. So yes. Damage helps.

                                                                        You want Phase, Echo is staple for the quicker passive stacks.

                                                                        SB/Deso works like a charm.

                                                                        >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

                                                                          But don't buy both sb/deso unless you are that far ahead. Because you will need a BKB or some tankiness to not get swatted like a fly

                                                                          Shou

                                                                            I was thinking something like phase > echo > vlads,drums,hood(only against ember or something) > sb,deso,basher,diffusal etc. then transition into carry items.