Maybe nyx if you have a Chance to get it Quick. Only other hero i can imagine for dagon rush is natures Prophet.
i would rather go arcane aether on nyx for same cost than jut dagon
rather go meka arcane on necro than dagon
rather go veil botle than dagon on qop
if it was good, it would be an established strategy no?
only times i've seen it work is if clearly higher skilled players just use it to stomp their opponents. its pretty fun
well i've single-handedly won games in the early game using a brown boots dagon nyx, so it's pretty nice.
with nyx you can tp from fountain with vendetta activated (need very good timing), necro has sadist, qop does have some mana problems so you just dont flash-farm the lane with e rather just lasthit with normal attacks... but its all solved if a support can pick up mana boots.
@tally it actually is a somewhat-established strategy, for all the mentioned heroes.
anyway i think i should stop with these useless threads. its pretty obvious that all item choices in the game are situational.
well the items have their mentions in various guides but i guess early dagon just isn't a that good item in highly organised games.
proper drafts simply dont require you to build an early dagon to kill people.
the reason why i say that is: none of the mentioned heroes can reliably solo-kill without dagon or an even more expensive item.
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with nyx you can tp from fountain with vendetta activated (need very good timing)
No you don't. You just press Vendetta after you use TP. Windwalk spells don't break channeling (BH, Clinkz, WVR, Voker, Nyx).
yes i know that you activate vendetta after using tp, i'm not retarded. it saves you mana
same with lothar
I use legacy, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't her ultimate a pure damage?
Then again, if w is her ult in the first place.
veil only good for flash farming with e (or you have some other magic users in team), otherwise dagon is probably better.
i think aether lens should be pretty great on her though, seems good to increase blink range and sonic wave dmg
Once again, you can't amplify qop's sonic wawe because it's pure damage based ultimate.
Both, vail and lens are supposed to increase a magical damage.
Lens increases spell damage, whatever the spell does. It is kinda inconsistent though, because it doesn't boost cleave or pugna's drain but it does boost shadow wave and purification (physical and pure damage spells).
so, aether lens is now core on qop? (if anyone played her)
1500 range blink, stronger damages etc (lategame sonic wave 600+ pure dmg large range)
i think this item might be one of reasons why qop isnt getting buffs yet
Why even get a Dagon on QoP? Orchid lets her farm faster and is better for getting kills
It depends. But dagon is not that great on qop in 2k+. I actually lost a game going dagon 5 in a 2k game smurfing: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2620413227
QoP falls off fast, and you can't really push solo, if they have good hg it's hard to do much when your team is useless lol. So I think items that transition better are superior the higher your mmr is.
If you don't upgrade dagon to 5 then there's no real reason to have it. The build centers around the dagon once you have it, or else you are to ineffective farming an item after it.
well, you upgrade it to 5 eventually, sure, but i'd do it after sheep bkb/linkens and bloodthorn (so, kinda last item). level 1 is enough to snowball early to mid-game, and secure kills through the game in general.
however i started to think that aether lens is better on qop than dagon overall. 1500 range blink is amazing.
the thing about dagon is it's only good early though, so you're wrong.
If you get it early you'll notice you can nuke people early, but as they get levels they eventually pair up with the dagon's damage very precisely, e.g. you do 800 damage total all spells, they have 900 hp, so you have to keep upgrading it. Eventually, your dagon tickles like a kitten if you don't upgrade it, which is a waste of 2.5k gold.
Level 1 dagon is only 300 damage, any other item like bloodthorn would do much more for you.
dagon has low cast time, so you can freely use it on a fleeing support. and even if lvl 1 does only 300 damage, it might as well still make the difference when combined with orchid dmg amp. (not saying its better than orchid upgrade but its that dagon that let you snowball and have enough gold for that bloodthorn in the first place)
and dagon 5 isn't that bad in lategame at all, i've seen pro players build dagon 5 as ultra-lategame item on some heroes
Dagons are actually very powerful lategame if you stack damage amp onto people and have multiple dagons. Veil, ethereal, soul catcher... And I am not making this up, nor is this a 3k strat, this literally happened on TI6. If heroes do not build tanky or have a lot of armor instead of a lot of EHP against magical damage, they'll get screwed even lategame when their BKBs are 5 seconds and dagon has retarded nuke range.
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is it bad to do brown boots into dagon in higher mmr on certain heroes like qop nyx necrophos? assuming you can get it min 6-10
i feel like its a very good item to keep your lead and ive been doing it a lot lately, but i dont know if i should do it outside of ns