theres no need to max 3rd skill even if you jungle, leaving it at lvl 2 is fine while you max your press. Youre going to rush blink anyway
^lvl 4 MoC gives you more DPS if you manage to duel people among creeps, but less DPS unless you're getting hit by a few people during duels, so that's something to think about
I go 0 3 3 1 by lvl 7 in jungle because it has the right balance between DPS from your attacks and DPS from them attacking you (which you want)
do you know what yourre talking about? moc is the same on all lvls, the only difference is the amount of hp they lifesteal. you dont get any kind of dps from it apart from that 25% double attack
^You are retarded. The cooldown decreases from 2.3 to .8 seconds, so it procs more often, giving you more DPS.
how am i wrong lmao, can u keep moc procing in duel? they barely have any atk speed pre10 mins and duel only last 4 seconds lvl 1
Your DPS on average will increase with each level of MoC, in every situation but especially in the situation Abbadon All Hope described where you have a lot of creeps attacking you while you duel. You seemed to ignore that bit, but you are wrong regardless. IDK why you are even trying to defend your retarded statement. When you are proven wrong without question you don't double down on your position you say "You are right, I was mistaken."
idk why you are trying to prove im wrong, 4 seconds duel, 25% moc chance you can at least get 2 moc procs under duel. Lc is my spcialty and all your saying is only good in paper.
You don't know how MoC works, clearly. It is not a 25% chance at all times. It is only a 25% chance while the skill is off cooldown. So if you have a 2.3 second CD at level 1, you will proc significantly less than if you have a .8 second CD. You have a maximum of 2 procs possible at level 1 MoC during a 4 second deul. Level 4 MoC gives you a maximum of 4(maybe 5 depending on how the mechanics work) with 4 second duel.
Basically when you proc, the skill goes on its CD, so during that 2.3 seconds you can not proc. So if you only have .8 seconds of time where you can not proc, you will obviously proc far more often.
thats fkcing retarded, ofc its on cd wtf . dont teach me how lcs skill works ive played more than enough to understand what to do in most situations
You don't know how it works though, unless you are just REALLY BAD at communicating what you mean. It is literally impossible to get more than 2 procs if you have level 1 MoC, and you said you can get AT LEAST 2 meaning you think it is possible to get more than 2. Everything you say is flat out wrong.
I hope you are trolling me and are not this dumb.
that was meant for your lvl 4 moc, if you read properly. lvl 4 moc was our topic thats why i said in 25% chance you can at least get 2 procs under duel duration.
Bottom line is you will proc it more often on average if you have it at level 4 rather than level 1...which gives you more DPS. So IDK why you first stated MoC gives you the same DPS at all levels, when that is just wrong. ESPECIALLY when you are getting hit by a ton of creeps, which is what the original post you responded to was saying.
you dont get any kind of dps from it apart from that 25% double attack
i think you are accusing me of something you misunderstood.
i think its better off maxing it later so you can help other lanes when your out of the jungle, at lvl 10 you got max q and w other than the one lvl Q, 3 lvl w and maxed out passive.
If your double attack procs more often, you get more damage from it. How is that a hard concept for you to understand?
Like the original post you replied to said, if you have a ton of creeps hitting you, it is reliable. But my point wasn't even which skill build is better. All I was saying is that leveling up MoC gives you more DPS. Which it does.
I got the math here
Lets say lc lv up moc to 4 and proc 4 times in duel by 4 creep. If 1 hit deals 50 damage then its does 200 damage. If you skill the 1st point you will deal 80+160+20x4=360x3/4=240 damage.
I have play lc before and very rarely i hit 4 proc in a duel
Normal attack deal around 70-100 damge in the first duel + armor and damage block(if they have it)
Do whatever the f*** you want, but get at least 1 point in Overwhelming Odds, its so sad to see kills slipping away because this retard afk jungler lcs dont even put 1 point in q whole game, I even try to max q when I'm jungling or do something like 1-2-2-1. I have even seen lcs not skilling Q against a phantom lancer untill minute 30 (talking about 5k bracket sadly).
Level 4 PTA will give you more DPS than lvl 4 MoC in pretty much all scenarios, except for when you're attacking enchantress or phoenix has rekt your attack speed, because MoC attacks are not slowed by untouchable or fire spirits.
However, it costs mana and has a hefty cast animation, if you're spamming Q on people, you might not have enough mana for PTA as well, this boils down to what's better if you max Q and run up to people to duel them in creeps, versus PTA blink duel combo which, though, requires a blink most of the time. I never said that MoC will give you higher DPS than PTA of the same level, because it can't, it's just more likely to keep you alive while you're hitting targets, but maxing MoC will improve your DPS by a fuckton if you're standing in creeps while dueling, maxed out MoC and PTA might give you more effective DPS in a lot of ways, because although OO is a great nuke, it is not exactly reliable as it requires you to be near creeps, while you can abuse PTA and MoC dps at any time since MoC can trigger in a small jungle skirmish as well, even if only one hero is attacking you. But as LeFlash said, for god's sake, get at least one level in OO, with wind lace and phase boots, and OO on only one hero, you already have max movement speed and have a ranged nuke (as opposed to not having it at all). The spell is good even at level one if it can secure a kill.
Rtz was spamming lc carry last time and he constantly went 144 or 044
And maxing passive definitely increases your dps idk what you are talking about, for example once you have decent items / level you can keep all the creeps alive and clear team one shot to maximise procs as well as clearing stacks, you don't get enough mana regen for leveling nuke to be worth it as jungle/carry
Seriously wtf
"Can lc get extra attack from MoC if the attacking unit is not the one you are attacking?"
Yes, that's why lvl 4 MoC is so good.
I think you want moment of courage maxed whether jungle or lane, the question is whether you max press or odds next/first. I think you want to max odds first in lane, put a value point in press the attack for dispels and still max moc. In jungle 1/1/3/1 build then decide if you need more points in odds or press. Kinda depends on who you are fighting.
max first if you at lane.
u can burst and outzone enemy from creep lane.
attacker!
lc at level 7 -> 4 1 1 1
ofc dont forget to build pt shoes than phase boot.
im pretty sure you can tank double medium camps at level 3-5, not sure but 3rd defnitely speeds up your farming, the healing buff spell barely helps you dont evene have mana to spam it
lol what is so hard to understand that lvl 4 moc gives more dps than lvl 1.. and if u go jungle lc maxing moc will get u faster farm and faster lvling. lvl8 in 7 min. dagger in 8 min, and u are ready to go.. pretty easy to play
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Max skill 1 or skill 3 and 4 first??? Coz i dont really good with that hero to be honest