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General Discussionwhy must normal skills have UNSCALABLE walls of text in the forums EV...

why must normal skills have UNSCALABLE walls of text in the forums EVERYTIME? in General Discussion
Dog

    It's like some sort of forum phenomenon that probably transcends dotabuff all the way to *ahem* reddit

    COINCOLLECTOR

      They need to show that this games' system is actually dogshit and make scrub vhs players understand the huge issue

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        I'm not experienced enough to catch game's important points and still on the "stiff learning curve".

        Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex imo.

        CoL.Limmp

          cause they ficking trash shit u think people read that ?

          Dog

            Calm your silky tits, spodermin

            Rocket

              the irony of a high skill calling out normal skills.

              🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                I won't lie, I stop reading most ns posts after the first sentance. My brain literally just can't read it by itself, it knows there's stupidity incoming.

                Celine

                  Cookie pls

                  Wintersun

                    I wouldnt say that all NS players are stupid, its just that the clever ones dont post that much.

                    Celine

                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex
                      Being verbose and elaborate helps learning something complex

                      Ghost

                        Well because most of the people play in normal skill and there are less HS and VHS players so ofcourse you will see more posts by normal skilled players. Don't you think its obvious?

                        🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                          they wouldn't be NS if they were actually intelligent.

                          INB4 any counter arguments; if they had a life then they wouldn't care about Dota, so they wouldn't post here.

                          Celine

                            @cookie
                            Being intelligent =/= being good at the game
                            But ye I get your point
                            Spending so much hours on a game and still having low MMR is fucking stupid

                            Riguma Borusu

                              some people are just more analytical than others (and have superior attention span), and sometimes they are on the right track, sometimes they are way off the mark because they try to grasp a subject they can't because their skill level is too low to begin with or they speak from their trench experience, trying to offer advice that only works because their opponents are bad and they don't quite get it (invoker radiance rofl dood i got rampag nobody knew how lul)

                              the only way a ns rant is going to make sense is if the player is basically just relaying what 5k+ players are saying and even then people might get the wrong idea or misinterpret something due to their lack of experience

                              in that case, being self-critical is very important and a lot of ns players believe their teammates are holding them back to begin with (despite their 49% global winrate, rofl) so in the end majority are just attempting to at least sound smart, if they can't play the game well enough to warrant their unspoken superiority

                              not saying that a lot of 5k+ players don't have a superiority complex, they do, but they can put it to a test and you can't argue against it

                              also let's not pretend that it's only ns guys that write those long ass elaborate posts in any media, it just happens that actual streamers/people who are not dogshit in general tend to say all those things in a video so they seem both more eloquent and concise, when they are often not, but at the same time they'll make more sense by the virtue of players being incomparably better

                              I've actually listened to Bren Dota channel on yt a fair bit and he's a 7k player and I could really learn a lot of him, and a lot of those things I have yet to apply or get used to, but he's extremely concise and "boring" because he's really "down to a t" when it comes to criticizing his own gameplay or giving advice in general.

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                                Lokieleven

                                  An hs player talking about ns. Not understanding there is no difference between 2k and 3k 😂😂😂

                                  Riguma Borusu

                                    There is, but it goes from "complete utter dogshit" to "a bit less dogshit".

                                    Dog

                                      Oi wat the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you cheeky kunt? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the outback, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on abos, and I have over 300 confirmed racist remarks.I am trained in koala warfare and I’m the top pinner in the entire aesthetics crew. You are nothing to me but another immigrant. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this continent, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the computer? Think again, you bloody wombat. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the southern hemisphere and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the typhoon, yobbo. The typhoon that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re ****ing dead, ankle biter. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my barbie. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the Australian native wildlife and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face off the continent, you little snag. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your bloody tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn whacker. I will **** a cut snake as cross as a frog in a sock all over you and you will drown in it. You’re ****ing dead, mate.

                                      Dog

                                        the biggest difference is that hs-vhs players are not as unnecessarily verbose as their ns counterparts.

                                        Dog

                                          Well because most of the people play in normal skill and there are less HS and VHS players so ofcourse you will see more posts by normal skilled players. Don't you think its obvious?

                                          Of course there will be more normal skills, but the walls of text that most of them post in the forum is something. It's quite rare you see a VHS player write paragraphs and paragraphs on end in the forums.

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                                            Dog

                                              ^theres also a third one, being utterly convinced that you do not belong in your mmr, that you deserve better, and that valve's matchmaking is trying to hold you back and announcing it to everyone here with a complementary lengthy argument.

                                              Celine

                                                @Dog idk man those kind of people are annoying
                                                We can just "K" them until they realise what they are doing is useless and pathetic

                                                Celine

                                                  Oi wat the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you cheeky kunt? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the outback, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on abos, and I have over 300 confirmed racist remarks.I am trained in koala warfare and I’m the top pinner in the entire aesthetics crew. You are nothing to me but another immigrant. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this continent, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the computer? Think again, you bloody wombat. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the southern hemisphere and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the typhoon, yobbo. The typhoon that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re ****ing dead, ankle biter. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my barbie. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the Australian native wildlife and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face off the continent, you little snag. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your bloody tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn whacker. I will **** a cut snake as cross as a frog in a sock all over you and you will drown in it. You’re ****ing dead, mate.

                                                  Dog

                                                    What the darn-diddily-doodily did you just say about me, you little witcharooney? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at Springfield Bible College, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret mission trips in Capital City, and I have over 300 confirmed baptisms. I am trained in the Old Testament and I’m the top converter in the entire church mission group. You are nothing to me but just another heathen. I will cast your sins out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in Heaven, mark my diddily-iddilly words. You think you can get away with saying that blasphemy to me over the Internet? Think again, friendarino. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of evangelists across Springfield and your IP is being traced by God right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggorino. The storm that wipes out the diddily little thing you call your life of sin. You’re going to Church, kiddily-widdily. Jesus can be anywhere, anytime, and he can turn you to the Gospel in over infinity ways, and that’s just with his bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in preaching to nonbelievers, but I have access to the entire dang- diddily Bible collection of the Springfield Bible College and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your sins away off the face of the continent, you diddily-doo satan-worshipper. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you from the Heavens, maybe you would have held your darn-diddily-fundgearoo tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re clean of all your sins, you widdillo-skiddily neighborino. I will sing hymns of praise all over you and you will drown in the love of Christ. You’re farn-foodily- flank-fiddily reborn, kiddo-diddily.

                                                    Dog

                                                      I think I should write my own gorilla warfare spinoff ala peenoise

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                                                      Dog

                                                        What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you imbecile? I'll have you know I was top among the ranks of many magi in eons, and I've been involved in numerous smoke ganks in your offlane and I have over 322 confirmed kills. I am trained in twitch chat spamfare and I'm the top sunstrike in the entire Dire team. You are nothing to me but just another noob. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on YouTube, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fool. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Valve employees across the Valve office and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the nerf, maggot. The nerf that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your MMR. You’re fucking dead, infant. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over 3154 ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in smurf calibration, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Source 2 and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable buttocks off the face of the SEA server, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you gabendamn dunce. I will excrete anal secretions all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, boy.

                                                        Dog

                                                          Ok. That was bad. Help.

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                                                            Thx for your void linken question tho

                                                            most informative thread in a while

                                                            unlike shitposts of mine

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                                                            Rocket

                                                              @cookie intelligence and mmr really aren't correlated.

                                                              casual gamer

                                                                are intelligence and learning related? because learning and mmr definitely are

                                                                4Head

                                                                Rocket

                                                                  Who would you consider more intelligent, the coach or the football player? Just because you are good at execution doesn't mean you need brains.

                                                                  casual gamer

                                                                    relentless is that you?

                                                                    Dog

                                                                      Football(soccer ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°))=/= dota

                                                                      Rocket

                                                                        Ok what about traders and analysts?

                                                                        Dog

                                                                          Stock market =/= dota

                                                                          Rocket

                                                                            Basically you are proving my assertion that intelligence and mmr aren't correlated with your obtuseness. Except your mmr isn't high...

                                                                            Dog

                                                                              Learning and mmr sure is, though.

                                                                              And climb 1500 mmr first before claiming "2k =3k".

                                                                              Rocket

                                                                                I think the bigger key to mmr is being able to process information quickly and make fairly straightforward decisions. That's not what I would call intelligence. It is a skill/talent but it isn't neurosurgery.

                                                                                Rocket

                                                                                  i wasn't denigrating that something differentiates high and low mmr but defining it as intelligence is misleading. Intelligent people would know that rantin and raving was negative to their winrate.

                                                                                  🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                                                    dota isn't counter strike, it's a strategy game. it's a very slow game, and no matter how fast your execution is. if you don't know the theory behind the game, you'll always be low.

                                                                                    you need high to be intelligent in dota if you want actual high mmr, intelligence isn't just the same as pure reaction time/reflex

                                                                                    intelligence the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

                                                                                    and one of the key features which applies to dota is the ability of ''problem solving''

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                                                                                    Dog

                                                                                      Can you read? I didn't argue intelligence = mmr, though cookie makes a good point. I'd rather call it "game IQ" which most VHS players display at a very high level.

                                                                                      Celine

                                                                                        Oi wat the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you indog? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the dumpster, and I’ve been involved in numerous low priority matches, and I have over 300 confirmed reports.I am trained in flame warfare and I’m the top feeder in the entire MMR assassination crew. You are nothing to me but another target. I will wipe you the fuck out of 2k MMR with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this server, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the computer? Think again, you bloody indog. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of peenoise across the southern Africa and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the lag, bobo. The lag that wipes out the pathetic little number you call your MMR. You’re fucking dead, ankle biter. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven ways, and that’s just with my barbie. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed feeding, but I have access to the Australian native wildlife and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable MMR off the face off the server, you little scrub. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your bloody tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn whacker. I will fucking a cut snail as crocs as an icefrog in a sock all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, mate.

                                                                                        Ghost

                                                                                          Mr. Cookie are you saying that your virtual matchmaking rating in an online MOBA game represent your intelligence or IQ?
                                                                                          Sorry to say but you seem quite stupid.

                                                                                          Dog

                                                                                            Bws i can edit that tomorrow with more elaborate pinoy dota references

                                                                                            🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                                                              and you know me in real life to make that comparison?

                                                                                              Ghost

                                                                                                You said 'they wouldn't be NS if they were actually intelligent'.

                                                                                                Ghost

                                                                                                  Oh you must be a girl ofcourse cookie.
                                                                                                  Sorry to argue Yeah VHS players are very intelligent and NS are plain stupid.
                                                                                                  I heard NASA called Arteezy to join them.

                                                                                                  Dog

                                                                                                    Putangina, what did you just fucking say about Mineski, tanga? I'll have you know I didn't graduate in college, and I've been involved in numerous internet cafe brawls in our barangay and I have over 322 confirmed police blotters. I am trained in peenoise trashtalk and I'm the top 3 point shooter in the entire barangay basketbal league. You are nothing to me but just another kid peenoise skipping school. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on TV Patrol, tandaan mo this. You think you can make tago from me with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, bobo. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of shady street gangs across the barrio and your IP is being traced right now so humanda ka from our resbak, ulol. The resbak that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your MMR. You’re fucking dead, infant. I can be anywhere, anytime with my skeleton, tin-can muffler bike, and I can kill you in over 7000 ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in gang wars, but I have access to the entire arsenal of xSHphizEsx Gh@nG and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable indog face off the face of the SEA server, you little shit. If only you could have known what happens when you mess with my idol jHulzes with your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you tang inang bobo. I will shit rice all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, boy.

                                                                                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                                                                      yep, nothing wrong with that statement

                                                                                                      one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                                                                        of course rl intelligence and dota intelligence are not directly related how is that even a question