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General DiscussionMedallion/Solar Crest on Drow Ranger/Slark.

Medallion/Solar Crest on Drow Ranger/Slark. in General Discussion
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    I've been buying it every match on Drow Ranger, once she's level 6 she does like ~125 damage + medallion makes you hit very hard and you can pretty much solo kill anyone, even when they have high armor, I build it further into Solar Crest because of the -10 armor and 25% evasion it's good for mid game/late game IMO

    And the same thing goes for Slark, if you have silver edge and medallion/solar crest they just melt when you try to get solo pick offs, especially their supports, I go for the most damage on Slark, solar crest/desolator/assault cuirass.

    What do you guys think?

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    robert

      Does dark pact purge off the minus armor from the medallion/solar crest?

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        ^ no clue, smart that you've mentioned it though, someone should test it out :D.

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          nc meta m8. next time am will buy solar crest rather than vanguard. or pa with solar crest 35% evasion + 25%. or fucking slardar... ss+solar crest... fuck desolator

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            Well if that happends I can proudly say I invited that meta then.

            M U R D E R

              Yes pact purges it (at least when enemy applies it on you), but on drow is shit imo cause no agi therefore bad (and drow is glass cannon so if you rape your own armor you end up almost instantly dieing) - just ask support to get it.

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                ^ you know how easy it is to get kills with medallion/solar crest on drow? the minus armor makes up for the no agility bonus, it's all about players preference ofc but IMO it's good.

                M U R D E R

                  Well it depends on what your aim is - maximise team damage (pretty much means going only for items that give agi) or solo kill (almost any carry can solo kill easy with medallion).

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                    on level 11 im 4-4-1-2 I skill aura as last, rather have silence and frost arrows maxed for teamfights instead of little bit extra bonus damage for the whole team.

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                    PogChamp

                      Why would you build armor reduction on Slark lol

                      You want atack speed items more because it lets you steal more stats. Remember, each hit gives Slark +3 damage and attack speed.

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                        It will take a while before you get a noticeable damage difference with slark when he steals agility.

                        PogChamp

                          SorrY boys, armor reduction won't be nowhere near meta for Slark and Drow for at least 67 years.

                          You want to just focus on tower damage as Drow, and even then, building survivabilty and wave clear is a better priority.

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                            Well glad it won't be, I'd rather be the only one using this build than having everyone use this build or even against me.

                            Everyone has a different play style, but 1 thing I know for sure is that I'm gonna continue building solar crest every game on drow.

                            PogChamp

                              It will take a while before you get a noticeable damage difference with slark when he steals agility.

                              If you are Slark, why would you want to kill a target in as few possible hits as possible, when you actually want hit people as much as you can, tomaximize Essence Shift.

                              XD

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                                Yes and meanwhile you attack an axe with 5k hp you get 40 essence shift but before you get ur 40 essence shift they're all focusing you and you're probably dead.

                                M U R D E R

                                  If you can purge off the medallion debuff from yourself, then it's a really efficient item (when you have already gotten some essence shift it'd be dreadful)

                                  PogChamp

                                    Everyone has a different play style, but 1 thing I know for sure is that I'm gonna continue building solar crest every game on drow.

                                    I guess in your bracket, anything can work, like buying Dagon on Luna, "because shes a good burst and it increases her burst potential xD " but when you get to jigher MMRs, youll realize how efficiency wins you a lot of games

                                    "Ethereal blade on luna because eclipse is magical:)"

                                    PogChamp

                                      You have 4 different escapes with Slark, since when is survivability is an isuue?

                                      Oh, cause you are normal skill :DDD

                                      M U R D E R

                                        Isnt aura good for your ranged support?

                                        PogChamp
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                                          jo~

                                            uhm

                                            PogChamp

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                                              Your afk charm farming bot just came to life, what wrong with it?

                                              jo~

                                                it only gives you agi man

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                                                  ''Boi''

                                                  i'm gonna kms right now.

                                                  PogChamp

                                                    Kek. Ye I forgot you cant steal str. I've never even played him.

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                                                    PogChamp

                                                      Go kill your self then

                                                      not arin

                                                        lol

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                                                          I have seen some slarks building medallion long time ago. I guess it can be legit since it also gives u mana regen, thing that spark kinda needs badly early on. But even later on, building solar crest, it seems like not as useful as many other items would be on slark (no stats given on a hero with bad stats growth). Maybe viable on a ganking pos-2 slark for solo pickoffs, yeah.

                                                          I guess that you can think the same about drow too

                                                          Riguma Borusu

                                                            Medallion is actually an utterly underrated (outside of the obvious rosh utility which is nerefed anyway) value damage and armor item actually, you can build it on pretty much any right clicker if you are behind. For 1200 gold, no other item is going to give you as much damage (-7 armor that can lead some people into -armor territory early game). Coupled with blight stone it's basically -9 armor for 1500 gold which is huuuuuuuge. You can use that to get some kills that you otherwise would not be able to because you are behind, and sell it later, losing 600 or 750 gold at most depending on whether you go for blight stone.

                                                            On heroes like LC and Huskar you have the double value of medallion and solar crest because you can use the item, then purge the debuff, and then have both 25% evasion and 25% miss chance for your target, as well as 10 armor yourself and -10 armor on your target, all for 3000 gold.

                                                            Of course it is not always a good idea but it can work occasionally. I sometimes pick medallion on legion when I am behind and they have only one hero that will actually be able to kill himself on blademail, so reducing the opponent's armor is better than reflecting piss poor right clicks.

                                                            Obviously if you play a hero that needs to farm a power spike item this will just delay it, but the reality is that having a blade of alacrity on your agi carry just might be worse than having a completed and functional medallion for the next fight. Now, it will take more time to complete your yasha, diffusal or whatever you're building, but that's value damage right there, and might net you a few kills that would otherwise be utterly impossible.

                                                            It is good to remember that -7 armor translates to an effective reduction of 42% armor-granted HP even if it doesn't get the target into the negative territory.

                                                            A hero with 10 armor and 1000 HP will have 1600 EHP but a hero with 3 armor and 1000 HP will only have 1180 EHP. At the point where medallion is particularly relevant, so is 420 hp. If you use blight stone, you push the hero down to 1060 EHP since he has only 1 armor, and that's 1500 gold spent on that. Now, slot efficiency and transition into better items ARE the issues you will eventually have to deal with, but if you are piss poor and have no hope of getting something better, it's actually a pretty good deal, especially if it lets you kill targets that have higher net worth than you, but have not invested into cost efficient items, or are building something really slow (like radiance or skadi).

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                                                              ^ fantastic review lmao 10/10, greatly said wp.

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                                                                some of u guys could be a book writers holy shit

                                                                Dire Wolf

                                                                  medallion is probably fine, idk about upgrading to solar crest though. Only another -3 armor and you don't really need the dodge/miss on either hero.

                                                                  jo~

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                                                                    CUTNPASTE

                                                                      Just get your support to buy medallion if you rate it that much, no idea why you'd buy it on Drow when you need to cover your survivability issues early game and later on you want actual items instead of medallions.