General DiscussionTinker dagon discussion.

It's about how fast you can kill someone. 3 Rearms with Dagon 5 = 3200 DMG. You need 7 Rearms with Dagon 1 for the same damage. And no fucking way you are Rearming 7 times. This DMG goes up with E Blade as well.

And besides, you will have both the Hex and Dagon 5 and 4 more items because the hero is a Naga. Leaches farm like it's 1v9.

upping dagon is only worth once you have atleast e-blade

I would often opt for a bloodstone after a casual dagon 1. Extra rearms are more useful since you could also use that for chasing, escapes, missile spamming from a distance or flooding the screen with march. The only thing I find useful with upgrading dagon aside from the damage is the extra range. Could be useful vs. ultra squishy targets though that die from 2 dagon bursts.

Im not talking about the fast way to kill, The fastest way is the shotgun combo, allays will be, but not the smartest and pro-active for your team. I mean the 5k gold spent can be used better than a fucking low scale intel and 100 dmg. 1250 gold is more than this.. Idk you understood my point

What's smartest and best for the team depends from game to game. Anyway, I don't play Tinker.

Plus the cast range can be used with an aether lens wich is almost the same price as a dagon upgrade. haha

I think it's fine to upgrade it when you have other items. i think getting dagon 5 immediately after getting blink is the dumbest shit ever, god forbid you get level 3 rearm too when you have ~1000 mana cos your only int item is a dagon.

I prefer aether + aghs over dagon recently, you do much more overall damage in teamfights in the mid game which makes up for your lack of single target damage.

I don't see dagon worth upgrading if there are other items to buy. once you've got big stuff like hex and something else that gives you more mana and you think you need damage, then you can get dagon / upgrade dagon.

it's 1250g to upgrade it and you only get 3 int, 100 magic damage and 50 cast range. you'd be better off having a dagon 1 and an e-blade compared to a dagon 5 imo, the two builds cost a similar amount but you get the hard to build item out of the way first, and you've got more utility from the e-blade.

if you get a dagon you've also got another item that costs mana to use and the int from it barely covers 1 usage of the item, whereas aether and aghs just improve your existing spells meaning you have like 700 extra mana to use from the stats of the items as well as the extra soul ring usages you can get because of the extra rearms you'll cast.

u are a 3.5k - 4k tinker smurf and u call urself an experienced tinker?
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on topic, U go max dagon if u stomp and u are all doing good in general.
otherwise u can go dagon 1 then straight hex . after hex u can max dagon.
its about comon sense dont spend a lot of time on " damage , mana , rearm, calculations and shit"
dagon 1 and a hex on decent time will do gods work.. + durability for u cause u know 19 lvl tinker with bots,dagger, dagon 5,soul ring is 1400hp and thats risky..

also for pushing lineup consider a shiva after hex... otherwise go bloodstone

next situational items are bkb,manta

and dont fucking make that agha shit on this hero ty

I'm pretty sure u go dagon 1 on him then get ur other items and when ur rich as fuck u just buy dagon 5 after all the shit u got.

@Fyyq do you rly think im 4k? im not surprised about your tinker too. As u said, is a smurf, and im 5,5 on main, but this doesnt matters.

On topic, youre all pretty right, depends on match and ever shit a like. The thing here is the worth to buy dagon 5. By unanimous decision, everyones buys it, right on time... When u had a good mana pool to use, never rush it to 5 at 27 min game without mana sustain itens, like bs, hex and aghn..

Thanks for advice, cya babys

I think aghs is just way underrated the way most tinker players treat the item. It does wonders in teamfights and I think it deserves some spotlight. Not sure about aether lens though. Tried that too but 2k gold for a slight upgrade in range and ability dmg is just not good enough for an inventory-cramped hero like tink in my opinion.