If you think that "gay propaganda" turns people gay, then everyone sees "straight propaganda" everyday. But not everyone is straight. There goes your argument.
People were born with their sexual orientations, you don't learn to be gay or straight.
Also, it shouldn't be about "teaching people to be gay or straight" it should be about teaching tolerance for all people of all sexual orientations and respecting them the way they are (by the way, gay and straight aren't the only sexual orientations, there is a lot in between and gender isn't set in stone).
You just literally said in the previous sentence that you would.
Or is it that you just don't like poor people in general?
because that is another kind of discrimination too."
I can see your reading comprehension is as shit as your dota. I said racism exists on a macro level in socioeconomic ways. I would not want my child to go to inner city schools because they perform poorly, more kids there come from single parent homes, don't have discipline, do badly on tests, the schools aren't as well funded, etc etc. And their attitudes just plain suck. My brother in law teaches at one of those schools and the kids are just plain bad, they don't give a shit, they talk back, many of them deal drugs outside of school. The fact that they are mostly black doesn't mean anything, it's just facts. If there was a nice suburban school full of black kids that performed well I'd want her in that school but there isn't. Again this is on macro level, I would not like refuse to talk to one of those kids if they happened to land a job at my work or something for example, or if they went to my church or whatever.
And fuck yeah I'm discriminatory towards poor people, I pay a shitload of taxes, poor people don't. Poor people cost me money. My insurance premiums went up $3600 a year cus of poor people. My previous house dropped 25% in value cus of poor people.
Dota 2 only confirms my prejudices about people from certain regions. They are the worst people in society, and in DOTA.
It's entirely your fault to judge an entire region by what 1 person here is saying. While I admit that homophobia is a problem in certain regions, there are also people in those regions that are not homophobic. You can't judge everyone from 1 region based on stereotypes.
I also want to say that I don't think SoulTrap is a bad person, he's just been in a society that frowns upon homosexuality and therefore he also believes it because that's what he grew up to learn. That doesn't make homophobia okay, but I wouldn't judge him to be a bad person because of that.
If you were to judge people from an entire region by just a select Dotabuff user from that region, then what about >.<'s views where he basically just says "oh theres no racism in America, racism is over" when it clearly is not, but that doesn't represent the views of all Americans.
It's interesting how the thread turned into a heated debate about homosexuality
I'm actually convinced that dota itself is salty. I think if you took dota players out of dota and put them in EQ they wouldn't be nearly as salty.
Don't you think that homosexualist who teaches kids that it's ok to be gay - he actually causing harm?
no, just no. You act like being gay is a choice. This is straight up propaganda. You say that "there's no gay propaganda" but you are a brainwashed product of anti-gay hatred propaganda. Ask a bunch of children what they think about gay people and they're almost universally tell you "I don't give a shit can I have some cookies now". Your hatred is learned.
The only two people I have ever known that committed suicide were both gay. They were both victims of constant harassment. They couldn't choose to just not be gay. They chose to die instead. I'm sure they would have rather lived straight lives than kill themselves.
One of my college friends is gay. I can't even tell you the number of times when we got drunk he'd just start crying and say "I wish I wasn't gay". People live this life all over the fucking world.
It's not propaganda to tell people that it's ok for them to be gay, it's just being humane. It didn't just start becoming ok to be gay. People were living and suffering under persecution the whole fucking time, you just didn't notice it.
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There is no "straight propaganda". It's more likely that we have some kind of "asexual propaganda", that tells us career - first, family - second.
@scraps
If I ask a bunch of children what they think about gay people, I'll spend the rest of my life in jail. =)
I think, main reason why young people commit suicides is because they think that nobody understands them. Since gays already have problems with mental health, it adds up and makes them even more unstable. Explanation like: "nobody understands me because I'm gay" - probably the first thing that comes to their minds.
Anyway, even if you straight, that doesn't guaranties your happiness or protects you from suicidal thoughts.
P.S. Straight people have problems too. Professions like barber, clothing designer or pop singer - all closed for me, because I'm straight. =)
And how are any of those results my fault? Most individuals in the US aren't racists. If it exists it's an an institutional macro level. Besides the entire point was how America is a million times less racist than obvious countries like russia, but also less obvious europeaon ones like denmark or even france/germany/britian. A lot of people in the us bitch and moan about how oppressed they are and how enlightened europeans are, but they are just as racist or worse in many cases, they just aren't as diverse so it may not come up as often.
And how am I not tolerant? All I said was poor people cost me money cus it's true.
You are quick to judge all poor people in a certain way, and you don't care that some of them do 2 or 3 jobs just to survive and feed their family. nope, they're poor so they have to have a bad attitude according to you.
Okay, if you say institutional racism doesn't exist, tell me why people of a certain race get stopped in security checks more? Tell me why certain people of certain races are less likely to be hired for a job just because of their race.
Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. It's existed since people existed, and it shouldn't be viewed as something "abnormal" but as another type of sexuality that's just as normal.
I don't give a shit how many jobs they work, why not get some skills and get 1 good one? And I didn't say they all have bad attitudes I said they cost me money.
And I didn't say institutional racism doesn't exist, I said maybe it does but most individuals aren't racist on an individual level in america.
Why would I read some anti america crap a homophobe posted?
Encouraging homosexuality is one of the more humane ways to slow the growth of the human population. It might ignore that these people are functionally sterile and could technically be helped with psychology. But it's still better than limiting the amount of children you are allowed to have and forcing people to get themselves fixed or force abortions
This is the modern world, where reproduction isn't the only goal of a relationship. There are many straight couples who just choose to not have children too, by the way.
Not everyone has to want children.
And those who do now have other means of having children even if they're not physically capable of having their own.
How many times I have to repeat this: gays causing no harm, gay propaganda does. If some guy f*cks with his boyfriend at home and there is mutual agreement on that - this is one thing. But if they organize a gay parade and show their passion on the street - this is another story.
That is an important step for our acceptance. I mean, black people went to the streets in USA to show us that they are people just like me and you, Martin Luther King is an example. Or I can offer you the example of marijuana, people went to streets to show us that there is no self-harm in smoking marijuana (check 1930's Harry Anslinger's anti-marijuana propaganda for more info), it's a matter of choice and it even breaks blackmarket profit. Well, these are just some examples. Just like I said on this thread earlier, we must have a wider point of view about these things. Minorities must organize parades, and stuff like that to show other people that they exist, that they must be accepted in our world, that they will fight for their rights, and they will keep existing. It's just like that. You don't have to watch a gay parade or anything like that, but you have to accept their right to do so.
@Mokujin
I get news from different sources in internet.
@Goku Super Safadjin
What speech exactly? Link please.
Oh.... I found it. I think, Putin wanted to say that at some point Russia will have to drop our nukes on USA. I'm not happy about it, because my cousin lives there with her husband, but USA is a terrorist state and somebody has to stop it. I hope my cousin leaves this country before anything happens.
i like this thread, keep it going soultrap,kitrak,scraps & others 4head
@Mercury
Don't forget Phantom Riki
@ Soul Trap
If you think that "gay propaganda" turns people gay, then everyone sees "straight propaganda" everyday. But not everyone is straight. There goes your argument.
People were born with their sexual orientations, you don't learn to be gay or straight.
Also, it shouldn't be about "teaching people to be gay or straight" it should be about teaching tolerance for all people of all sexual orientations and respecting them the way they are (by the way, gay and straight aren't the only sexual orientations, there is a lot in between and gender isn't set in stone).
"You just contradicted yourself.
You just literally said in the previous sentence that you would.
Or is it that you just don't like poor people in general?
because that is another kind of discrimination too."
I can see your reading comprehension is as shit as your dota. I said racism exists on a macro level in socioeconomic ways. I would not want my child to go to inner city schools because they perform poorly, more kids there come from single parent homes, don't have discipline, do badly on tests, the schools aren't as well funded, etc etc. And their attitudes just plain suck. My brother in law teaches at one of those schools and the kids are just plain bad, they don't give a shit, they talk back, many of them deal drugs outside of school. The fact that they are mostly black doesn't mean anything, it's just facts. If there was a nice suburban school full of black kids that performed well I'd want her in that school but there isn't. Again this is on macro level, I would not like refuse to talk to one of those kids if they happened to land a job at my work or something for example, or if they went to my church or whatever.
And fuck yeah I'm discriminatory towards poor people, I pay a shitload of taxes, poor people don't. Poor people cost me money. My insurance premiums went up $3600 a year cus of poor people. My previous house dropped 25% in value cus of poor people.
It's entirely your fault to judge an entire region by what 1 person here is saying. While I admit that homophobia is a problem in certain regions, there are also people in those regions that are not homophobic. You can't judge everyone from 1 region based on stereotypes.
I also want to say that I don't think SoulTrap is a bad person, he's just been in a society that frowns upon homosexuality and therefore he also believes it because that's what he grew up to learn. That doesn't make homophobia okay, but I wouldn't judge him to be a bad person because of that.
If you were to judge people from an entire region by just a select Dotabuff user from that region, then what about >.<'s views where he basically just says "oh theres no racism in America, racism is over" when it clearly is not, but that doesn't represent the views of all Americans.
@Sunshine
That's just sexism right there.
Many women love Dota. Many women changed history.
It's meant to be a joke.
Why do ppl don't understand my humour.
@Sunshine
Well, it's because of this thread.
Everything is so serious, it's about homophobia and racism. It's hard to get a joke in such a situation.
If it was another situation we might get the joke more.
that's why minorities receive harsher penalties for the same crimes, blacks are incarcerated for marijuana possession more frequently than whites despite smoking less weed, minorities earn less money for the same work, receive unequal healthcare treatment, etc. Racism is fucking everywhere in modern societies.
Sorry Dire Wolf, your comment is racist. It's not "I'm committing violence" racist, but it's still a gigantic pile of ignorance. Here, learn a thing or two. This post is ok: http://kronda.com/five-stages-of-unlearning-racism/ and this book is pretty good (and funny): http://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Black-Baratunde-Thurston/dp/0062003224
I'm actually convinced that dota itself is salty. I think if you took dota players out of dota and put them in EQ they wouldn't be nearly as salty.
no, just no. You act like being gay is a choice. This is straight up propaganda. You say that "there's no gay propaganda" but you are a brainwashed product of anti-gay hatred propaganda. Ask a bunch of children what they think about gay people and they're almost universally tell you "I don't give a shit can I have some cookies now". Your hatred is learned.
if being gay is a choice, why do so many LGBT youth commit suicide instead of just choosing to stop being gay?
The only two people I have ever known that committed suicide were both gay. They were both victims of constant harassment. They couldn't choose to just not be gay. They chose to die instead. I'm sure they would have rather lived straight lives than kill themselves.
One of my college friends is gay. I can't even tell you the number of times when we got drunk he'd just start crying and say "I wish I wasn't gay". People live this life all over the fucking world.
It's not propaganda to tell people that it's ok for them to be gay, it's just being humane. It didn't just start becoming ok to be gay. People were living and suffering under persecution the whole fucking time, you just didn't notice it.
@ Dire Wolf
You judge Soultrap for his beliefs, but you are practically the same.
Both of you are the same, and you are just as intolerant as he is, except on different things.
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There is no "straight propaganda". It's more likely that we have some kind of "asexual propaganda", that tells us career - first, family - second.
@scraps
If I ask a bunch of children what they think about gay people, I'll spend the rest of my life in jail. =)
I think, main reason why young people commit suicides is because they think that nobody understands them. Since gays already have problems with mental health, it adds up and makes them even more unstable. Explanation like: "nobody understands me because I'm gay" - probably the first thing that comes to their minds.
Anyway, even if you straight, that doesn't guaranties your happiness or protects you from suicidal thoughts.
P.S. Straight people have problems too. Professions like barber, clothing designer or pop singer - all closed for me, because I'm straight. =)
If you think that showing images of gay couples is "gay propaganda"
then every single movie that has straight couples (almost every movie) is "straight propaganda"
Uh... what??????
^Then your every breath is propaganda of oxygen.
And how are any of those results my fault? Most individuals in the US aren't racists. If it exists it's an an institutional macro level. Besides the entire point was how America is a million times less racist than obvious countries like russia, but also less obvious europeaon ones like denmark or even france/germany/britian. A lot of people in the us bitch and moan about how oppressed they are and how enlightened europeans are, but they are just as racist or worse in many cases, they just aren't as diverse so it may not come up as often.
And how am I not tolerant? All I said was poor people cost me money cus it's true.
Natural things don't need advertisement.
@Dire Wolf
You are also hypocritical.
You are quick to judge all poor people in a certain way, and you don't care that some of them do 2 or 3 jobs just to survive and feed their family. nope, they're poor so they have to have a bad attitude according to you.
Okay, if you say institutional racism doesn't exist, tell me why people of a certain race get stopped in security checks more? Tell me why certain people of certain races are less likely to be hired for a job just because of their race.
@Dire Wolf
I want to learn more about racism in my country, can you show it to me?
Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. It's existed since people existed, and it shouldn't be viewed as something "abnormal" but as another type of sexuality that's just as normal.
^If it's normal, why gays can't get pregnant?
@Dire Wolf
BTW, you may find it interesting.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-history-the-u-s-supported-and-inspired-the-nazis/5439236
I don't give a shit how many jobs they work, why not get some skills and get 1 good one? And I didn't say they all have bad attitudes I said they cost me money.
And I didn't say institutional racism doesn't exist, I said maybe it does but most individuals aren't racist on an individual level in america.
Why would I read some anti america crap a homophobe posted?
Do me favor?
I read anti Russia crap a russophobe posted.
good job guys, your ignorant bickering in the thread about how dota is friendship has alienated everyone who actually wanted to socialize.
@Dire Wolf
So you are saying that over 50% of people don't have any prejudices based on race?
You clearly have your prejudices, as you seem to judge all Russians based on Soultrap, who's just 1 person.
Soultrap speaks for mother Russia
@Salt King No, Soultrap speaks for Soultrap.
His opinion does not represent all of Russians, and DireWolf does not represent all of Americans.
^ You may suck at Dotes but well said.
>dotabuff forums
>socialize
everyone in peru looks like meepo.
Take it easy guys, keep calm and just play dota.
Sounds cheesy
Another thread where I have to say...what the fuck happened here? Even though I've posted here before
this guy is like new relentless only less funny meh im bored already
Fucking tl;dr thread holy shit.
I think in some way Soultrap's view reflects the 'average' russian whose exposure to media to limited to domestic sources, hence the bias.
I speak for all of Canada
Encouraging homosexuality is one of the more humane ways to slow the growth of the human population. It might ignore that these people are functionally sterile and could technically be helped with psychology. But it's still better than limiting the amount of children you are allowed to have and forcing people to get themselves fixed or force abortions
I dont know if im racist or not but who cares
@Mokujin
Then what's Dire Wolf's excuse?
Kill ur retarded putin, he's ruining ur country.
This is the modern world, where reproduction isn't the only goal of a relationship. There are many straight couples who just choose to not have children too, by the way.
Not everyone has to want children.
And those who do now have other means of having children even if they're not physically capable of having their own.
That is an important step for our acceptance. I mean, black people went to the streets in USA to show us that they are people just like me and you, Martin Luther King is an example. Or I can offer you the example of marijuana, people went to streets to show us that there is no self-harm in smoking marijuana (check 1930's Harry Anslinger's anti-marijuana propaganda for more info), it's a matter of choice and it even breaks blackmarket profit. Well, these are just some examples. Just like I said on this thread earlier, we must have a wider point of view about these things. Minorities must organize parades, and stuff like that to show other people that they exist, that they must be accepted in our world, that they will fight for their rights, and they will keep existing. It's just like that. You don't have to watch a gay parade or anything like that, but you have to accept their right to do so.
@SoulTrap, you're Russian, right? Can you tell me some good and bad points in Putin's speech? I mean about his government plans.
@Mokujin
I get news from different sources in internet.
@Goku Super Safadjin
What speech exactly? Link please.
Oh.... I found it. I think, Putin wanted to say that at some point Russia will have to drop our nukes on USA. I'm not happy about it, because my cousin lives there with her husband, but USA is a terrorist state and somebody has to stop it. I hope my cousin leaves this country before anything happens.
So apparently this 300 MMR riki spammer might be ridiculously bad at DotA, but he's not brain damaged in a social sense. Nice work, riki guy.
Long Live Emperor Trump
I'm not brain damaged in any sense, actually.
And I'm not bad at Dota. I have 5 smurfs.