it gives more dps than daedalus if u go phase deso but most of the time you get scenarios where you want the crit so u can just blink meld people and try for instant 2hit kills, especially if u have like aegis or something
dps invokves the fact that you cant rly hit ur targets more than 2-3 times as Ta and need dmg over attack speed
OP, let me answer some other possible questions of you. answers of the questions below are also no
-mjolnir ta?
-midas ta?
-meka sf?
-eul sf?
-eul any agility hero?
-meka any agility hero?
-will relentless ever gonna get out of normal skill bracket?
etc. etc.
Alright, before you fuckers start bringing stats out of ur asses, here's a confirmed fact.
Level 16 TA with Treads on STR, Aquila and Deso.
Moonshard - 1.89 attacks / sec with (166 attack damage + 80 damage from refraction) = 465 DPS
Daedalus - 1.17 attacks / sec with (247 attack damage + 80 damage from refraction) * 1.34 crit average = 512 DPS
Butterfly - 1.51 attacks / sec with (226 attack damage + 80 damage from refraction) = 460 DPS
Mjollnir - 1.64 attacks / sec with (190 attack damage + 80 damage from refraction + 28 damage from lightning) = 490 DPS
Assuming 25% base magic resistance, and doesn't take into account the lightning buff
Also ur right, DPS comparisons aren't really good, but it helps get a feel of the expected output
Get AC if you want attack speed. Or even S&Y is fine, but Moonshard doesn't give any survivability at all.
Do you really want AC tho? Shard is 1500 gold cheaper and gives you like 3x more attack speed. But i get the lack of survivability part.
@spooky
the marginal utility of additional -armor depends on how much armor ur enemies have. the difference between 0 and 2 is more important than between 45 and 47.
moonshard is actually pretty good
idk why so many haters have you all actually tried it
@Spooky Ghost
I tried killing rosh with 3 of your samples
Level 16 TA with Treads on STR, Aquila and Deso + Moon Shard = 18-19 seconds
Level 16 TA with Treads on STR, Aquila and Deso + Daedalus = 12 seconds
Level 16 TA with Treads on STR, Aquila and Deso + Butterfly = 14 seconds
roshan's bash rate was similar on all times.
yeah because if you read his post he calculated the DPS based on refract being on, which is fine since you don't usually have time to hit the same guy more than 6 times
obviously the loss in damage affects an extended kill like roshan more than for daedalus
the good thing about moonshard is that you'll definitely want to have it sooner or later, unlike other items which you might want to eventually drop
or sometimes you're six-slotted with moonshard and you kill roshan, you can consume and pick up aegis without any of the awkwardness of dropping an item and waiting for the courier to pick it up
in his post he says there's more dps with moonshard than butterfly but with butterfly i killed rosh 4-5 seconds earlier. i wouldn't mind if it was like 17 or 18 seconds with butterfly but its not
theorically butter lets you dodge some f the roshan hits that would have bashed you otherwise, so the timing difference is partly explained by this. its not about dps only then, the reesults are biased and not representative.
can you read
are you literate
i literally just explained it
items that provide attack speed offer a higher margin as long as refract is on, which is relevant when hitting most things not roshan
when you hit roshan you won't have refract on for most of the hits so it makes items which give damage look better
Why would you spend pure AS items on TA? He's supposed to kill dogshits in as less auto-attacks as possible.
You might want to spend 4K gold on better items like Yasha + Crystalys post Desolator
Guys. Come on, moonshard icon is 1000x prettier than the daedalus one. It goes so well with aquila, treads and deso. Your inventory is so pretty!
aspd items like that are actually decent since you can dish out more auto attacks meaning more refraction procs but I dont see it being better than crit in any situation
You're only getting abyssal or hex when there's something that you need to burst down during the disable duration. It's 3.5 sec vs 2 secs, so getting more attacks in is more damage than the +100 from abyssal, given that you're gonna have 400-500 damage by that point anyway.
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