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dont finish vlads

if you want to jungle qb stout start with one set of tangoes can last you until morbid mask (barely) if you choke point properly, you can rosh ~5 minutes

imo get phase, morbid then rush blink, if you're doing well transition to hex if not get bkb

hex is a must get eventually, abyssal is situational but pretty decent

i start with stout, 8 tangos. get morbid and use 6 tangos until then. Then i go back to base get smoke and do rosh at level 3, minute 4-5.
getting phase first would delay the early rosh. check my last game if you want an horrible example of this.
I'm unsure about the hex, even though I'm jungling I see myself as the main carry, that's why I rather get damage items. what sould I do with the morbid mask? Upgrade it to a satanic later?

if jungle: stout , 3 tangos, 1 pot, rest branches u can manage 4 lvl on woods by minute 4 or less, after getting morbid u get a smoke and u go roshan with skillbuild 0-2-2 u kill him and go 7 lvl and start raping arround
then phace then dagger then go for vlads if ur team needs it otherwise go dominator so u can get a satanic later

i personaly go bkb 90% of the time cause i want to kill 2 people instant in teamfights without interupts from suports and disablers

then i go heart , abysal

Should I wait until level 4 for rosh? I do him at level 3 usually

"I see myself as the main carry, that's why I rather get damage items."

Eh.. Save yourself all the time and effort and just pick Troll, who essentially does the same thing but only 10x better. Ursa sucks late game against real carries.

but troll isn't a bear.

But hes a troll.

ehhh... save yourself all the time and effort and just pick OP heroes...
wow such input much amaze

^ As if Ursa isn't a trench tier hero anyway.... Besides 'OP' by whose judgement? Just cause hes a fotm hero and you dont know how to deal with him doesn't make him OP. Last time I checked he has counters in the form of heroes and items that deal with him well. may I also point out that you had no problem picking Jugg when everyone was calling him OP so..

the reason i'm not playing troll is beacause I don't like to play troll. I played juggernaut before (with less success tbh) and had fun doing so. And troll is pretty much OP if we can assume that the troll picker is the only one who isn't entirely retarded out of the 10 players. The only thing that can kill troll is teamplay or RNG, assuming troll knows what he's doing.

"The only thing that can kill troll is teamplay or RNG, assuming troll knows what he's doing."

How so? Heroes like Sniper can wreck Troll if he can keep his distance. It also only takes one durable hero to buy Heavens Halbard, or one Agi carry to get Abyssal which makes Troll a sitting duck. Have we also forgotten about stuns and hexes? I dont know man, it just seems like teh community have retarded logic when it comes to fotm heroes. Hes only 'OP' because he was a popular pick at the Asian championships.

go at 4 better and faster rosh down... and be sure to spamm ur team to ward rosh side so u wont got penetrated

shield + tango + salve as starters > morbid mask > aegis at level 4 > boots > blink > vlads > desolator. Works everytime.

^ "As if Ursa isn't a trench tier hero anyway.... Besides 'OP' by whose judgement? Just cause hes a fotm hero and you dont know how to deal with him doesn't make him OP. Last time I checked he has counters in the form of heroes and items that deal with him well. may I also point out that you had no problem picking Jugg when everyone was calling him OP so.."

i spam picked jugg when he was sleeper OP in ranked then abit more in unranked and stopped playing him completely right after.
that isnt even the fucking point.
point is you arent even contributing to the thread.

you can jungle with 4 tangoes if you choke point the dire middle medium camp with choke point
radiant you should bring more regen cos you will lose lots of hp against ursa and centaur even if you choke the hard camp.

Woah now.. No need to get salty my friend. I was merely pointing out the truth when he said he wanted items to make Ursa more late game.

well when you pepper your posts with rubbish like "troll's only OP because he was a popular pick at the Asian championships" you suddenly lose credibility

anyway ursa has no issues late game compared to any other carry, very few carries can 100->0 easily within a hex duration - his real issues are in breaking high ground, and capitalizing on winning a fight

^To each his own m8. I bet you have your own three page thesis on how he is actually OP, but I really wouldn't wanna read it.

well truth be told anyone who sort of understands the game gets that he's kinda overpowered, nobody in their right mind needs a three page thesis to see how it is

but if you cant then i wont bother

My only issue with Zenoth comprehension of this hero is that JUNGLE Ursa should never get quelling blade, why would you want it on him? to my knowledge QB doesnt amplify dmg of Fury swipes and since Fury swipes is the main source of Ursa's dmg the quelling blade itself is hardly worth it, i'd rather have extra Salve or two in order to jungle longer (if i get bad camps) until I get the sweet morbid mask and then smoke of deceit for Roshan.

^ a lot of the last hit power comes from swipes, and you don't want to have to auto attack creeps just to get an amplified last hit. There are a lot of offlane heroes that can contest an ursa's farm by denying unless you have 1-2 levels of swipe on it..

My understanding of it anyways

well, dravic does have a good point

i like to keep the qb to cut trees in general, but if you are going to be absolutely anal about early efficiency then it isnt optimal since it delays morbid mask

i wouldent buy quiling blade early is 200 gold and u NEED STOUT AND MORBIT fast rosh and gg. quiling blade just will slow u down

@Havoc Badger i talked mainly about jungle, though :P

how u ppl can rosh at lvl 3? or im just unlucky with 3 bash in a row?

As for hex vs abyssal, the choice usually comes down to: "Does the most dangerous enemy hero have a bkb or not?" Sheep stick helps solve ursa's mana problems, while abyssal builds up from skull basher (skull basher is great on ursa, since you usually get a proc off during overpower). If enemy team has a troll, I will almost always go abyssal (unless the troll is supremely underfarmed for some reason).

For laning ursa, an early point in your slow + an orb of venom from side shop usually allows you to get kills on heroes without escapes (assuming you have at least one point in fury swipes).

Mask works on ursa in situations where enemy team does not have an overabundance of disables. Mask + boots = 522 movespeed, which is great for chasing down heroes. When facing tankier heros, mask helps fill the short gap between overpower cooldowns.

8 tangos + stout shield > morbid mask + smoke = rosh (lvl 4) > boots > blink > phase boots > vlads and then its situational (bkb, scyte of vyse, basher > abyssal)

Yeah same that efextoide, how do you manage to get lvl 3 rosh with ursa ? (i mean 100% sure).

After the change to swipes, I like getting MoM to watch bears run at 522, since he has a tendency to get kited around.

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@efextoide

you have use your first W before you go into rosh pit. you have to pull rosh to the top corner of the exit, then rosh comes, hits you a few times and goes back. While he is going back, if your W is up hit him until he turns otherwise just hit him once and back to your corner. It was close a few times but I never died.

best way to jungle is

8 tangos + shield
Morbid Mask
smoke
Ring of Basilius
lvl 5 rosh

this is the best way to rosh, its 100% safe, you come out with half mana, enough money for boots and ready to gank and push towers. Make use of that agies ffs dont just waste it by going back to jungles, get some kills and take down tower if you can. Ring of Basilius helps you stay on map entire time with mana

But i just found that going in lane with ursa is way better if you get a support obv, ursa last hits like a boss and can take down pretty much any hero if u get some lock down from support

It was a while ago now but I got smoked by an ursa who went aggro trilane with a lion and some other disabling support, I think it was a windranger playing support. They absolutely creamed our lane. Ursa's underrated in lane.

i dont know y u guys need 8 tangoes 4 is enough

^The amount of regen you get for jungle partially depends on whether you expect the enemy to disrupt or gank you. For example, if enemy has a bounty hunter I might grab extra regen for jungle just in case.

ok, but if no bounty or riki u can just go with 4, and if they come to gank u u just leave jung till they come back, i had games where bounty wanted to fuck with my jung but fail as he couldent ks my cs as ursa hits hard with swipes. and support rotated.

have to say that i have at least 100 ursa jungle games and always get 4 tangos stout shield and works great.