Lol how do you get above 4KDA on lich Rasp pretty nice :D
PC gamer using Newtons Third law :o
@sampson yes indeed, but i was not reffering to the losses but to the things that cause them(like small mistakes that cost uou the game)
i hate it in football when i score 3 times and my team concede 4 goals
same shit here
even in an organized team you can have control only over your performance (and sometimes you can't, e.g you get completely shutdown, your jungles are all warded etc)
@ Ras
small mistakes dont lose you the game, making small mistakes AND not capitalizing on their mistakes(and even pros make tons) lose games.
I would definitely disagree with this.
While I can certainly think of games which I feel I have lost due to a single mis-click there has always been so much leading up to that point.
Those half hour slow death games are the worst but the beauty of dota is that if you manage to work together properly and take advantage of enemy mistakes you can win from behind.
If it gets to that point of no return where there is absolutely nothing you can do, odds are the game will be over shortly anyway.
I have tons of games that were lost because me or any other guy on my team did a mistake: void bad chrono = 60 min game lost.
sven out of position, without buyback killed = 60 min game lost, doom on lion instead of doom on refresher tide = game lost, and many others. but nothing in this game is more rewarding than a fucking hard win, where you have to play 80 minutes from behind just to win 1 fight late and win.
^ those are not small mistakes those are huge mistakes. 60 min with no BB is a massssssive mistake
Once I repelled a creep during big teamfight (was a huge clusterfuck shitload of units and computer having seizures). There was only one teamfight that game since they had a pushlineup and a single bad repel lost us the game (it was even before then, could have gone either way) so yes small mistakes can have hige consequences
It does matter. Look @ what happened to my Chicago Bears last year because of miss-communication making them lose their chances to win the NFC North.
using repel on a creep is a huge mistake.....not saying it does not happen BUT saying something like that is small is a stretch
In my opinion this random criticism of the game is actually why I think it's such a successful, fun strategy game.
So much meta, infinite variables - and the human condition with mistakes and misplays being half the factor of victory. The premise of Dota 2 is almost who makes the least mistakes. Just like real war, just like every other game.
I guess the person who wrote the article completely missed the point about this game, a large tactical and strategic game in which 10 strangers all have to NOT fuck up and do their shit correctly. If you snooze mate YA LOSE BRAHHH
@Sunrise
there is never just one mistake, even in a pro game you can find hundreds of mistakes.
No, its a small mistake which bore huge consequences (the omni repel) hence small mistake led to huge fallout making it a big mistake (holy fuck that argument sounds so much better in my native language)
there a lots of msitakes in every game!! but noobs only see others peoples fault (not even always being a bad play)
That assessment is only marginally accurate. The reader is supposed to assume that the mentioned player making the mistake is on the same team as you, conveniently omitting that there are 10 players overall, half of whom are on the other team obviously. It's also not a single mis-click that is going to win or lose the game, there are a great many other variables that come into play. A single mis-click being the defining factor that wins or loses a game is a sensationalistic assessment and serves merely to put focus on the steep learning curve the game has.
well some tiny mistakes can have fairly big consequences without being a great mistake itself
for example, i miss one last hit and im 40 gold away from a tp scroll
then viper comes and kill me, his team forces a fight and my team loses because they are playin 4v5, now the xp lead is in their favor, and they manage to take a tower
it was 1 small mistake (missin 1 lh) that has lead to a big consequence (me not having money to tp away, that cost me my life and a fight)
but blah shit like that never happen
which multiple mistakes? my teams fighting 4v5? perhaps but there are ways to force a fight (VG did that a lot in TI)
-you missed the last hit
-you positioned yourself in a place that was sub-optional
-your team took a fight they should not have
-you prioritized other items over a tp scroll which the other team noticed and forced a push knowing you could not get to it
how is it a 4v5 if viper is killing you?
there is no reason to ever not have a tp scroll at the point where someone could have BoTs
even if he went first item BoTs nothing else at that point of the game you should STILL always have a TP scroll
so much mimimi
The problem of a game isnt the small mistakes, the problem are a LOT of smalls mistakes, there is no problem if you fail one or two melds hits with TA or some boats with Kunkka, people who pays too much attention on small mistakes are usually the ones that bitchs the entire game.
I do a lot of small mistakes when i am laning mid and still i usually win the game
I think that statement's idiot, you can screw up pretty much anything in life without being directly your fault. I don't actually know how you could possibly make up a game where you can't screw up resulting in a loss, this happens in anything I can think of.
yes i agree with it.
The catch 22 of dota is that the game experience is ruined both with and without a concede option.
having a concede option is the dumbest shit ever, it turned into spam when it was introduced in some of the dota 1 bots. If you cant take losing without being a little pussy about it dont pub.
you dont need a concede button in dota 2, just disable dotabuff and feed so the match ends faster
there is no difference in regards to the point of the quote.
In fact, pub are more like to find drawn out games tolerable.
meh i dont really care when the enemies fountain farm my team
I just alt tab and whatever
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"It’s this that is Dota 2’s main problem: a mistake or a misclick from any one of the five players on a team can confer a monstrous advantage on the opposition, turning matches into almost an hour of death by slow asphyxiation. For a competitive game, it can be incredibly demoralising to lose through no direct fault of your own, and the crushing sadness of a creeping, inexorable loss isn’t always balanced out by the high of a win."
from a review by PC gamer.
Well i agree with it but im not sure if i want it to be changed. It should be more like slightly adjusted(the mistake ceiling). It can make the game unfun sometimes(more than less).