Carried by huskar? The game was won from the start. Zeus vs 4 papers. Huskar just picked up all the kills why I had fun farming.
Yea I have 7 2 and I'm getting carried... great
16/8 and I'm getting carried?
3on5 and I'm getting carried? you don't win a 3on5 game if you are bad. lol
10/2 getting carried?
Do you even know what getting carried means? getting carried means having shitfuck stats like most people here and still winning. Having good stats and winning doesn't mean that you are getting carried. LOL this community is dumb as fuck :D
^Just an idea, coach. If you think everyone is bad, maybe the problem is with you? People gave you TONS of arguments why you are not right, and yet you continue to try to troll your way through. I know, I was 13 once too, but if you want actually play good, like you think you do- be quiet and train.
Up to you man, but flaming on the forum wont do you any good. If anything, anyone reading this thread would not want to play with you, so thats even counter-productive.
1) The whole world is dumb as fuck. Everyone here has double digit IQs, are too stupid to recognize that you are the best player here and that brackets are fake, Valve Employees who handle this full time obviously have single digit IQ who can't even find any better solution (when obviously they have the worst possible system in the whole world so any system must be better), your teammates are all shit, your godly KDA reflect what a great player you are. Even though your GPM, hero damage and many other statistics are inferior to some of your teammates, somehow you 'carried' them, because you won with great KDA! Others who struggle through a game and finally come up top with shitty KDAs are noobs that are just getting carried by their teammates (despite their teammates having worse KDAs).
oh cmon the 'third game', we didn't die a couple of times, only i died once and he didn't. later i got 2 kills before the rest of our team disco'd. you shouldn't get pissed off so much over a game we were back in business 5mins after you left. if you stayed we could've won, but instead of you ragequitted.
tbh i hate people like you who don't even have a real life and just jackoff at these games acting all tough over the internet because they know nothing better. i suggest you take a chill pill, you're even worse than my buddy here at dissing people
" He tries to come bot with me I send him top he and lich die a bunch of times up there "
Wow, what a lie. Died zero times on the lane. Died twice in the whole game. I guess dying zero times means bunch of times for you.
2nd game... stole your kill once and that was the mid stuff you talked about. Not 2, one. Since you had a double kill. What are you crying about anyway lol? You had like 17 kills already after 15 minutes. Game was over long time ago. Such a crybaby. And me leaving mid after 15 minutes? Won't even comment that... such lies :D
3rd game Again you talk lies. Dying bunch of times on top? Timbersaw died once, due to a trilane gank.
@Zenoth
The problem lies in liars and bigmouths like this meow guy who tend to think that their bracket is God's gift to the people.
Hell, get all those people and play vs my team. Surely seeing as we play Team MM and closed games we should be total scrubs, just like normal bracket people.
You got pissed off cause tinker rolled you off twice, you egoquitted and ruined game. Typical dota player.
And zenoth. Valve is bad. They promised dota2 3 months after TI, game got out of beta after 3 years, not months ;)
If the ratings were really balanced, valve would show them ;)
and people like the terrible talking about brackets while they stack up in their games :( there's nothing better in this game than owning a couple of stacked amateurs :) did it so many times while playing solo :)
I actually thought this community wasn't as bad and stupid as the other gaming communities given the fact the game is new and all that but in fact it's much worse :(
this whole thread is hilarious
a good player sits here and patiently explains to a total shitter why he's shit, the shitter grasps at straws like KDA and spews buzzwords like "getting carried", and generally talks like he's 12.
It is hilarious given the fact most of the people here are pretty bad :)
It's funny how all the people talking shit about me are the people from higher brackets who got there by stacking up whilst playing at mediocre level at best. And then BAM, somebody gets rolled twice by tinker in the 'lowest bracket possible' and leaves the game cause he can't handle playing alone. Just proves everything I said.
Actually I will have to jump in and say that both Zenoth and The Terrible are pretty good at their game. Given the way this thread has gone and how you verbally approached asking for team mates I am not surprised this happened to you.
The brackets are in place for a reason and while they don't work all the time in the MM world as they are supposed to, they do work for the majority of players and are in place for a reason.
There is nothing wrong with playing normal games as the main objective of playing a game is to have fun playing it and if you are who cares what your win rate is. I also play in Normal games from time to time cause there are friends just coming into dota2 and when I stack with them we drop into normal tier gaming. But I drop, you are there for a reason. If I was to solo-queue it would be high or very high.
The difference is in the decision making between Normal - High - Very High.
Jugger - Dat GPM & 44 minute items.
Nyx - Unfinished Mekanism? At 44 minutes?
Tusk - I would have gone Desolator over battlefury (not an error just a preference)
Crystal - Orchid? You kidding me here right? All Hail CM the right clicker. No survival just going for dat Orchid
Centaur - Actually did OK but a pipe would have helped out the team a lot.
Dire Errors:
Ursa - My eyeballs are burning. Force, BKB, Blink? How much did he have to escape?
Spirit - SnY & no BKB to speak of.
Pudge - Did good but again mana boots just tells me he was throwing hooks without planning and needed the mana to do it.
Rhasta - Selfish play, not one support item to speak of.
Warlock - Selfish play, not one support item to speak of. Dat blink.
That is why it is in normal because of the style of play that normal players exude.
Selfish.
Bad item builds.
Bad skill builds.
High players:
Average.
Steady all-rounders.
No their way around roles and teamwork.
Very High.
Stack to win.
Exceptional in a hero or team play.
Smurf.
Talented flash killers or stompers.
All this to say that it is my opinion that you are in Normal for your style of play, not because you are a bad player. Also that is not to say that trash or mediocre players can't be found in the other brackets but they are sometimes flaws that broke through the cracks of the bad MM then actually high level players that are trash.
Take me. Exceptional sometimes (very-high), average all rounder most of the time (high), play style when I started and when i queue with new people to give them training (normal). I am not ashamed of my stats and neither have to defend them or gloat about them.
cause im good
inb4 shitters telling me individual performance in a single match = good
seriously get the fuck out wit dat shit, kda, last hits, gpm and all dat shit matters nothing as long as their ancient drops first
and i drop it like skrillex
I like your post havoc. See first thing I don't understand is how to get in higher brackets. People say get your winrate up... well your winrate is slightly below mine yet you play in higher brackets. Some say play a lot of games - again wrong as people who play fewer games also end up in higher brackets... some say big KDA... again speculation.... Anyways I'll talk more about this at the end of the post.
So like I said already - I like your post because the analysis you provided was accurate and unlike some people here(Zenoth) did not go to search my worst game in the last month just to look cool. Or talked lies about me dying a bunch of times when I died 2 times in total in the entire game..
Anyways yes, I agree, normal bracket is full of bad players and builds and everything you said is true however - as you can see, ursa has force staff and well... that's just lolly bad item on him. What you don't know about him is that he went to Roshan after 26 minutes or something.... and also had a really low farm in the beginning too - all of that just shows you that he is a bad carry and that supporting that carry is a total waste of time. I figured that already after I saw his starting items and watched him play for about 2 minutes(he was on my lane) - also as you can see spirit has no bkb - another bad potential carry + it was obvious at start by the way he built his spells and charged that he was too reckless in what he did. So my warlock wasn't selfish at all - I simply decided not to support bad carries because we would lose and decided to win the game myself(which I did) It's not my fault that he is bad, but I'm not going to waste my time with bad players.
So yea, that's why I say that supporting is useless because in normal bracket you have no idea if a carry class hero in your team will know what he's doing so you have to take control of the game yourself. As for the blink on Warlock... well the game was over, 2 lanes pushed, I had gold so I bought another item... doesn't really matter.
So to get back on point, I respect your opinion - however things in normal bracket work a little differently. This meow guy couldn't control his temper and left the game because the guys on bot didn't go take the rune - he couldn't handle playing handicapped because he is too used to others doing his dirty work ( he was supposed to go for that rune by the way ) and decided to leave. See that's weak. A lot of my games look exactly like that. And of course I can't go much higher than 50% winrate because of all the bad players - it's a teamplay game after all. Another thing is that most of the guys here just stacked up got on a lucky streak and now think they're hotheads because they play in better brackets. Truth is that even though they are better players in general, doesn't mean that everyone who plays in normal belongs there.
Also I really want to know what do I have to do to get into higher brackets because it seems to me that the only way to do that is to play 3-4 same heroes all the time until you get pushed up which is quite boring by the way.
Actually consider having a 10/2 stats and stuff like that 'getting carried' what the fuck :D? like no clue.
This community reminds of the good old dota1 days when people used to kick you out of their games because you weren't known or you had a too low level. In the end all of them were just mediocre... just like these guys. (hello2you kanyebest)
edit @ sAm - yea I'd like to know as welll
@wolfgang Like I already said... don't really care a lot about that but I might just set myself for example 15 denies per game at least just to up my stats. Isn't a problem to me.
My account is old as balls and I have battled through a lot of wierd shit in DotA2. Guaranteed if I was to do an account recreate I would be able to get that number a lot higher with what I currently know about how shit works. Actually that sounds cocky so maybe not by much but enough to have people not always pull that number.
Winrate shows you know how to win a game and one of the easiest ways to do this is by stacking. My inablity to win more than 50% is because of the broad range of players I play with. Look through the games on my landing page, each is a different stack of players some normal, high, and very high. So because I don't exclusively stack with the same 5 at high skill I won't win games over 50% and I will move around in the different skill pools.
Suggestion: Play the game for another month or two, practice last hitting, denying, map awareness, juking. Then remake your account if remaining in normal frustrates you.
@Sam Its my item argument over offensive defensive items. All those items are good solo and combined on the right heroes but...I feel that he simply got these as a "running" mechanism as opposed to a fighting one. An amigo of mine (current top ursa) http://dotabuff.com/matches/272723274 I don't think has ever gone that cause if you spend the whole game running and not actually fighting you are just going to slowing lose the game. Sorry I am no so eloquent and I type things as they come to mind I just feel it is "legit" if say, a high skill ursa pro was using it offensively and if they were to do it, it would because they are trolling or have some new strategy in mind.
TL;DR Item build on Ursa for aggression not fleeing and hiding.
Update: Your winrate doesn't mean that you don't know how to win I just pulled that as an example for stacking.
About brackets / mmr: based on Valve devs the matchmaking is based on ELO. Which compares you to other players on a scale from a to b, easiest to say 0-100. In Dota 2 that is divided into 3 boxes. When a game is formed in MM, the system takes players from similar ELO ratings and forms teams. Then it counts the average ELO of the players and determines the bracket of the match.
So, unless they have made some significant changes to the way it determines rating, you gain ELO by winning a match and lose ELO by losing. Losing to a team with lower ELO than yours nets a larger drop in rating, winning against a higher ELO team nets you a larger gain.
Again, unless they have implemented a way to include in-game stats in the calculations, only the rating gained from winning and losing matters.
I see that you are a fairly good player but what I solely hate is you calling everyone else trash. As you can see from meow's perspective, he was stating some of your mistakes. Same goes with you telling meow that is is weak. Just try to accept that people make mistakes but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are in a trashy level. Well I guess it just runs in the dota community. I, too have a hard time stopping myself from flaming because people are OC in games sometimes
@Denies are fairly important too, it's not just some stats
And playing more games would definitely make you in a higher bracket, unless you don't do well. Just play more games and hf. If you keep up these kinds of games, i'm pretty sure you'd have high games in no time.
I called meow 'trash' because he stated that I died a bunch of times on a lane which in fact I didn't die at all - that wasn't stating a mistake - it was lying - that's just pathetic. Yeah there's no doubt about him being good - but he's weak in terms of not being able to handle some real shitness on a public ( the kind I face every day) and playing alone.
Also as for others, well a guy(like Zenoth) who searched my only 0 kills X deaths game in like what last 50 games I played and goes to analyze it... that's not only a trash player, but also a weakling with inferior skills in terms of everything he says because he has to resort to such sillyness to win an argument - if you understand what I mean.
No deny = 62 exp melee | 41 exp range
Deny = 18 exp
See the number difference? Also check this out...just a friendly & mostly just shit talking each other and auto attacking but I was focused on denying in the first 10 minutes just to piss the mid guy off.
Needless to say http://postimg.org/image/qwnvz3xmb/ I was level 10 when he was level 4 and because I had focused denies I had souls and last hitting was easier and because he was under-leveled it just got harder for him.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DENY!! Please remember this.
You are amazing. Let's look at all the argument we've used against each other.
You first bring up how my win rate is below 60% for stacking. Let's not even talk about how I stack with friends IRL who have skill levels ranging from 1st day of Dota to 1st page material. I bring up how Dendi has 55% win rate, you tell me you don't give a shit - it doesn't matter. Nice counter-argument there.
You then mention how you stomp alot more games than me. I bring up the point that your win rate is worse, so that obviously isn't statistically true. Once again, you ignore that point, and hurl more insults insinuating my lack of ability.
Next you casually take the worst game on my profile at that moment and analyzed it (in which I was stacking with normal bracket friends, the kind of people you play with). I returned the favour, picked one of the losses on your profile (didn't even have to search dude, it was on your freaking profile at that time), and pointed out all the mistakes you made, from adding Essence Aura at level 1 to not bringing TP scrolls, absurdly bad laning, last hitting, mechanical skill, positioning, awareness, item build, skill build. Your counter-argument?
"(like Zenoth) who searched my only 0 kills X deaths game in like what last 50 games I played and goes to analyze it... that's not only a trash player, but also a weakling with inferior skills in terms of everything he says because he has to resort to such sillyness to win an argument - if you understand what I mean."
Perhaps you're just too deluded to realise that DotaBuff displays your last 7 games played on your profile and I merely picked from it. Good job with all the insinuations there.
You don't even have the ability to counter any of the points I bring up to explain to you why you're normal bracket scum. Continue living in your deluded world. As a present to you, I'll analyze one of your "stomps" and tell you how badly you did (despite your WIN with godly KDA).
280303202
your highest stats game on your profile currently.
just like before, i'm not going to bother to trawl through your previous matches played.
downloading the replay now.
This is the game you won and went 16-8-12 on Bloodseeker. It had the most kills of all the games on your profile now so I chose this.
2:00 At top lane, duo lane with you and Ogre against Lion and VS. They do negligible damage to you, and you can easily regain harassment damage with denies. Instead you let yourself get zoned out.
3:16 You do an exceedingly stupid mistake. Against two, potentially three disables you walk into the opponent's creep wave after yours has died in order to try to get one last hit. You get chain disabled, and your poor teammate can only watch helplessly as you die. No doubt you blamed him for not stunning earlier or something. Oh, and you added two levels of Thirst at level 3. Instead of a 120 damage nuke + 6 second silence, one of the best one-point wonders in the game, you choose to go for Thirst. Against two disablers controlling the lane against you. Hell, even Bath would be a much better choice.
3:40 Instead of buying a TP scroll to get back to the lane faster and pick up your Boots in the side shop or something, you buy boots first and walk back to lane.
5:15 The creep wave reaches right in front of your tower just out of tower range. You could force deny and keep the lane equilibrium there, making it much safer for you to farm, but denying is for tryhard stack noobs who want to pad their stats, so obviously why should you? Auto-attacking is for pros and pushing the lane out, then getting zoned and tower-hugging for the next wave is obviously the way to go.
6:00 For whatever reason, you decide to gank mid at level 3 without Rupture or Bloodrage. The opponent Clock obviously gets away. You take some of Medusa's creeps from mid, and reach level 4. Next skill point goes into Bloodbath.
6:36 Scum - the Medusa uses her Mystic Snake to farm the wave and you try to contest her last hits despite being at full hp - too bad you missed. Now you're just camping mid, competing with her for exp and farm.
9:20 You get caught out stupidly by DK and Clock. No points in silence, not spending you gold to upgrade to a PMS for survivability, no getting TP scrolls. Stupid and well-deserved death.
9:50 You TP out to mid with 900 gold in the stash. What, saving up for Sacred Relic?
11:15 PURE GOLD. You rupture VS who is already caught in Naga's net. The damage log shows you did a grand total of 60 damage from movement to VS - your teammates basically won a team fight 4v3 with you leeching exp and contributing nothing.
12:00 You have 2000 gold at this point - majority of which is "assist" gold - a term I use loosely because you certainly didn't assist whatsoever - two of them you didn't even get an assist for, just happened to reach in time to get some money.
12:50 You head to the large creep camp on Radiant side. It's a troll stack. What do you kill first? The big one. That's 20 gold and 24 exp, along with some extra regen that you missed right there. Good job.
13:40 You get a lucky kill on a Venomancer who forgets about TP scrolls and an enemy Bloodseeker.
16:00 2.8k gold in the bank. Looks like it's really a Sacred Relic. Opponents are ahead but terrible, enemy Lion picks up a Dagon.
17:00 You afk at your top T2 tower for nearly 30 seconds. That's enough time to kill 2 neutral camps.
17:58 Didn't bother pulling out the red hp creep from the Radiant Large camp so that it would spawn again, ofc stuff like this are for tryhard pro wannabes.
18:50 Your team picks up 2 kills mid while you afk jungle rice. The current player with lowest kill participation on your team is you, with 4/13. Your Medusa has 9/13.
20:25 Congratulations, your first item after brown boots.
21:43 Instead of cutting the tree to walk between the Radiant pull camp and the Radiant Medium camp, you walk one big round. Missed another stack timing also. Don't think you know about how Quelling Blade can cut trees.
23:30 Your team gets wiped 3v5, with you and Ogre making it to the scene too late. Luckily two idiots decided to walk back to base at red hp and you pick up a double kill. Impressively you actually manage to buy your Radiance recipe before the remaining 3 rape your sorry ass.
27:00 No idea what the fuck your enemies are doing. Two easy kills for your team.
29:00 Medusa is ahead of everyone in terms of farms and levels, your opponent's carry (DK) has nothing. Supports keep getting caught out for Charge or Rupture. Your team has basically won the game at this point.
For one of the "best" games on your profile, you didn't even do anything right as BS. No early pressure or ganks, terrible laning stage, bad skill progression. You got lucky that the enemies were simply alot worse, not finding any farm, not finding any last hits, putting their carry on the suicide lane without support, while continually getting caught out by star pubstomper SB. Hell, Medusa did a much better job, abusing runes and ganking side lanes alot more than YOU on BLOODSEEKER did. Shame on you.
Come on, at least make a valid point instead of ad hominem arguments. Explain yourself instead of putting down everyone but you.
tbh @coach, its really easy to get up to a higher bracket. You don't even need a decent team. If you're as good as you say you are, play some snowballing heroes. No matter how bad your team is, its really hard to lose in normal level games unless you're not really into it. But surely you can't be 100% not into it can you? I find that your first 10 games right after your first creation of your dota account is most important in determining what skill bracket you get into. If u do really well in first five, you can easily get into high or very high. Okay lets say you dont do well at all for whatever reason in your first ten games. You get stuck in normal. What next? Easy. Win say another 5-10 games in a row with an overwhelming difference. You move up the skill bracket. That easy.
I read earlier that you make a comparison between the bad players of very high and normal. I can tell you that they are not the same. The bad players in normal are actually bad. So bad that it doesnt matter if ur teammates are bad. Because the enemy team wont be able to take advantage of their 'badness' anyway. If ure that good, you take advantage of the trashiness of the normal bracket skill level and move up.
I find it also ridiculous if you think other people like zenoth are worse than you. Look at the way he critiques and the way you critique the way both of u play dota. He talks about gameplay and subtle intricacies whereas u comment on how a support or w/e have this and that item and 40:xx. See what I mean? Accept that there are people are better than you. Sure the mm system now is kinda crappy. But for you not to move up from a normal skill bracket is not because of the mm system. Its you. The mm system is crappy now because it allows players who are say at high/normal slip up into very high. Heck its even more absurd why I don't see you in high skill bracket due to the recent mm change. Something is really wrong here. lol.
Funny Zenoth. I picked your AM game because it was your last, and I didn't even analyze you, but the bracket instead.
Again you completely missed the point even though I like your analysis. First thing's first. I wanted to go mid, medusa insisted on mid and that in turn completely fucked up my early game. Why? Pretty simple. 2 melee vs 2 ranged with 3 stuns/disables. Complete nightmare lane. Nothing we can do. Also building up Thirst on a seeker is the best possible thing( at least when you play mid) and certainly was the correct move given the fact we could not do anything at top lane(Which was quite clear when I tried to go for the creep you mentioned). Don't really know why I didn't have silence, usually I have it on lvl 4, guess I missed it this time.
Yes, medusa did a fine job, fucking up my early game, fucking our top lane up, getting killed 1st mid while having the advantage over clockwerk... we were lucky that they were shit otherwise our top lane would have been lost quickly along with mid lane. So much for your star player Medusa... see you think you got the game, but in fact you don't know exactly what happened IN GAME - why I seemed to afk now and then and stuff - it was the discussion in the chat with an egoistic Medusa.
These 'little' things you missed ruin the game completely from the start. First me playing a hero at a side lane which I specifically play at mid because his potential is best there. Second an annoying Medusa which fucks up our top lane with his egoism. Third me going afk from time to time to talk with the shitfag. Yes, things like that are the reasons I lose games. A smartass in the team shows up and fucks up the game with his tactics - or just feeds. Then there really isn't anything you can do.
and the 16/8/12 score isn't really a pub stomp for me. Too many deaths. More like an average winning game.
@flyingpigs Not that easy. Just recently had a 12 or 13 winning spree. Nothing happened. In fact the next few games were the shittest games I played in a while.
You say something is wrong? I'll tell you whats wrong.
My last 20 games. Won 11 games. Lost 9 games.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/282494655 Nothing to say really, meow played husk on smurf account, left after 2 mins, another guy left too, 3on5 game. Losing easy as that - bad team.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/281389665 We were holding up fine, could win easily but I had problems with internet near the end of the game so I forced a push before I disconnect even though it was risky and in the end it didn't work. I'd say this game was very unlucky due to external factors I couldn't control.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279887062 I was controlling them with Zeus until luna and never got bkb, got tougher but the real problem was a gondar who got his battlefury after 40minutes and a Kunkka who kept farming instead of helping us out. Not only that, but enchan lost his internet and we played the reminder of the game 4on5. Bad team yet again with zero pushes. I don't think we had any towers down - and disc.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279265532 Another wrong game. A drow who builds 3rd spell all the time and not silencing anyone + a slow reaction AA - You can't really win a game vs 4 disablers and a void who is feeding on noobs while the key hero in your team doesn't silence(and feeds) and doesn't initiate anything from invis. Bad team yet again.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279206073 worst game of mine in a while + a bad team too, everything was just bad so lets say I fucked this one up.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/278003927 Don't remember much of this game, only that our mage was failing in silencing brewmaster and that invoker was just plain bad. Game was over under 20 minutes when they got most of our lanes down. Nothing I could do with this hero(felt like playing PA, maybe I shouldn't have but it doesn't really matter.)
http://dotabuff.com/matches/277440704 Another 4on5 game from one point.Also a bad drow yet again who can't silence and they just rolled us most of the ganks due to superior stuns and initiations. Yet another game screwed up by 2 guys.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/277378874 Chen and Maiden fed riki 23/3... Don't need to tell you how that one turned up.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/277287258 Our main carry jugger no items 36 minutes. Pudge also quite bad as well(think he went mid didn't do much, don't remember) All of that resulted in meepo stomping them and rolling us. Also except for me nobody bothered to buy dusts until it was over. Yet again a mediocre team.
So yea out of those 9 games, I played horrible once, got unlucky once due to internet, other 7 games got fucked over by bad team and disconnects. Yes, something is wrong here. Or I should just play troll and doom all the time, maybe that will fix it.
Let's see. You failed to argue any of the points I made as usual. On to yours.
Complete nightmare lane? You decide to take a creep when your entire wave dies and you wonder why? They had no harassment. They do jack to you with your stout shield. Their only hope is to burst you down when you were out of position, and you gloriously gave them the opportunity to do so. Don't blame the lane, you were horrendous at choosing when to take last hits. If you last hit and denied properly, you could easily out last them. They were terrible. But unfortunately, so were you.
Here's what you said about denying: "Doesn't make a huge impact in my games since I'll still win my lane - would it be better if I cared more? Of course - would it change anything? Don't think so."
The irony. Or perhaps you didn't know that denies gives Bloodseeker hp as well, as you had one of the lowest denies that game on both teams.
Medusa out-farmed Clock mid. Against Clock one positional mistake will get you killed, just like against Pudge. But I'm sure you'll fail to appreciate that fact, especially when you yourself fed Clock multiple times. If he was egoistical that game, he had the right to do so - he played alot better than you did.
I didn't play well because a medusa fucked up my early game. Guess I played well with 16/8/12 stats in the end. It is a nightmare lane, doesn't matter how they do, what matters is that it wasn't supposed to be like that. And that is the whole point. Yes Im sure that a Medusa that doesn't care how good other lanes do played better than us. Good logic. Also I don't remember him ganking top. Ever.
So you would insist that you get the middle lane and put medusa offlane because you can't play any other way? That's pretty much the definition of a normal-bracket player.
Ahahahah this is so funny. So hop OP goes that people with high winrate are just getting carried every game. Lets go to OP latest matches (win only):
http://dotabuff.com/matches/282453652 - carried by smurf huskar
http://dotabuff.com/matches/282404413 - carried by SB
http://dotabuff.com/matches/280303202 - Hey he has 16 kills... carried by medusa
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279042872- nyx and antimage
http://dotabuff.com/matches/278955011 - draw with a drow
Thats 5 wins on a row being carried. Yeah, sure you did good in some of those games, but holy shit you are a hypocrite. Have fun in normal bracket.
Carried by huskar? The game was won from the start. Zeus vs 4 papers. Huskar just picked up all the kills why I had fun farming.
Yea I have 7 2 and I'm getting carried... great
16/8 and I'm getting carried?
3on5 and I'm getting carried? you don't win a 3on5 game if you are bad. lol
10/2 getting carried?
Do you even know what getting carried means? getting carried means having shitfuck stats like most people here and still winning. Having good stats and winning doesn't mean that you are getting carried. LOL this community is dumb as fuck :D
^Just an idea, coach. If you think everyone is bad, maybe the problem is with you? People gave you TONS of arguments why you are not right, and yet you continue to try to troll your way through. I know, I was 13 once too, but if you want actually play good, like you think you do- be quiet and train.
Up to you man, but flaming on the forum wont do you any good. If anything, anyone reading this thread would not want to play with you, so thats even counter-productive.
Well coach, there are two possibilities.
1) The whole world is dumb as fuck. Everyone here has double digit IQs, are too stupid to recognize that you are the best player here and that brackets are fake, Valve Employees who handle this full time obviously have single digit IQ who can't even find any better solution (when obviously they have the worst possible system in the whole world so any system must be better), your teammates are all shit, your godly KDA reflect what a great player you are. Even though your GPM, hero damage and many other statistics are inferior to some of your teammates, somehow you 'carried' them, because you won with great KDA! Others who struggle through a game and finally come up top with shitty KDAs are noobs that are just getting carried by their teammates (despite their teammates having worse KDAs).
2) The problem lies with you.
@meow
oh cmon the 'third game', we didn't die a couple of times, only i died once and he didn't. later i got 2 kills before the rest of our team disco'd. you shouldn't get pissed off so much over a game we were back in business 5mins after you left. if you stayed we could've won, but instead of you ragequitted.
tbh i hate people like you who don't even have a real life and just jackoff at these games acting all tough over the internet because they know nothing better. i suggest you take a chill pill, you're even worse than my buddy here at dissing people
" He tries to come bot with me I send him top he and lich die a bunch of times up there "
Wow, what a lie. Died zero times on the lane. Died twice in the whole game. I guess dying zero times means bunch of times for you.
2nd game... stole your kill once and that was the mid stuff you talked about. Not 2, one. Since you had a double kill. What are you crying about anyway lol? You had like 17 kills already after 15 minutes. Game was over long time ago. Such a crybaby. And me leaving mid after 15 minutes? Won't even comment that... such lies :D
3rd game Again you talk lies. Dying bunch of times on top? Timbersaw died once, due to a trilane gank.
@Zenoth
The problem lies in liars and bigmouths like this meow guy who tend to think that their bracket is God's gift to the people.
^Brackets bullshit brah, I play 100% in Wood bracket Id know brah.
Hell, get all those people and play vs my team. Surely seeing as we play Team MM and closed games we should be total scrubs, just like normal bracket people.
Asking for 1on1 dota just proves you are bad :(
You got pissed off cause tinker rolled you off twice, you egoquitted and ruined game. Typical dota player.
And zenoth. Valve is bad. They promised dota2 3 months after TI, game got out of beta after 3 years, not months ;)
If the ratings were really balanced, valve would show them ;)
and people like the terrible talking about brackets while they stack up in their games :( there's nothing better in this game than owning a couple of stacked amateurs :) did it so many times while playing solo :)
I actually thought this community wasn't as bad and stupid as the other gaming communities given the fact the game is new and all that but in fact it's much worse :(
Sad.
this guy thinks a support with boots and wand at 30 min is a bad player
top kek
Call him 1x1- proves ur bad
Call him 5x5- fucking stacker
ok brah, I cant argue with that logic.
^ jebem ti mater, cyka
reported for bad russian
Me Russian, plz add urself !!
dewd if you wanna play together just add me or give me response. i played the last 5 days just with idiots.
this whole thread is hilarious
a good player sits here and patiently explains to a total shitter why he's shit, the shitter grasps at straws like KDA and spews buzzwords like "getting carried", and generally talks like he's 12.
It is hilarious given the fact most of the people here are pretty bad :)
It's funny how all the people talking shit about me are the people from higher brackets who got there by stacking up whilst playing at mediocre level at best. And then BAM, somebody gets rolled twice by tinker in the 'lowest bracket possible' and leaves the game cause he can't handle playing alone. Just proves everything I said.
I'm always up for some dota when im online.
**UPDATED**
Actually I will have to jump in and say that both Zenoth and The Terrible are pretty good at their game. Given the way this thread has gone and how you verbally approached asking for team mates I am not surprised this happened to you.
The brackets are in place for a reason and while they don't work all the time in the MM world as they are supposed to, they do work for the majority of players and are in place for a reason.
There is nothing wrong with playing normal games as the main objective of playing a game is to have fun playing it and if you are who cares what your win rate is. I also play in Normal games from time to time cause there are friends just coming into dota2 and when I stack with them we drop into normal tier gaming. But I drop, you are there for a reason. If I was to solo-queue it would be high or very high.
The difference is in the decision making between Normal - High - Very High.
I am not looking for fault so I will take your last match (a win) http://dotabuff.com/matches/282546552
Radiant Errors:
Jugger - Dat GPM & 44 minute items.
Nyx - Unfinished Mekanism? At 44 minutes?
Tusk - I would have gone Desolator over battlefury (not an error just a preference)
Crystal - Orchid? You kidding me here right? All Hail CM the right clicker. No survival just going for dat Orchid
Centaur - Actually did OK but a pipe would have helped out the team a lot.
Dire Errors:
Ursa - My eyeballs are burning. Force, BKB, Blink? How much did he have to escape?
Spirit - SnY & no BKB to speak of.
Pudge - Did good but again mana boots just tells me he was throwing hooks without planning and needed the mana to do it.
Rhasta - Selfish play, not one support item to speak of.
Warlock - Selfish play, not one support item to speak of. Dat blink.
That is why it is in normal because of the style of play that normal players exude.
Selfish.
Bad item builds.
Bad skill builds.
High players:
Average.
Steady all-rounders.
No their way around roles and teamwork.
Very High.
Stack to win.
Exceptional in a hero or team play.
Smurf.
Talented flash killers or stompers.
All this to say that it is my opinion that you are in Normal for your style of play, not because you are a bad player. Also that is not to say that trash or mediocre players can't be found in the other brackets but they are sometimes flaws that broke through the cracks of the bad MM then actually high level players that are trash.
Take me. Exceptional sometimes (very-high), average all rounder most of the time (high), play style when I started and when i queue with new people to give them training (normal). I am not ashamed of my stats and neither have to defend them or gloat about them.
^Wrong match ID. And wtf is wrong with Force and Dagger on Ursa? Survivabilty and mobility is all the hero needs and they both help in that regard.
Still can someone tell me how the f kayne best is in very high?
cause im good
inb4 shitters telling me individual performance in a single match = good
seriously get the fuck out wit dat shit, kda, last hits, gpm and all dat shit matters nothing as long as their ancient drops first
and i drop it like skrillex
You know. Winning games doesn't put you to very high. I don't know how it is determined but.
@coach
Tip: try denying more often. 1.26 average deny tells something about your playstyle.
I like your post havoc. See first thing I don't understand is how to get in higher brackets. People say get your winrate up... well your winrate is slightly below mine yet you play in higher brackets. Some say play a lot of games - again wrong as people who play fewer games also end up in higher brackets... some say big KDA... again speculation.... Anyways I'll talk more about this at the end of the post.
So like I said already - I like your post because the analysis you provided was accurate and unlike some people here(Zenoth) did not go to search my worst game in the last month just to look cool. Or talked lies about me dying a bunch of times when I died 2 times in total in the entire game..
Anyways yes, I agree, normal bracket is full of bad players and builds and everything you said is true however - as you can see, ursa has force staff and well... that's just lolly bad item on him. What you don't know about him is that he went to Roshan after 26 minutes or something.... and also had a really low farm in the beginning too - all of that just shows you that he is a bad carry and that supporting that carry is a total waste of time. I figured that already after I saw his starting items and watched him play for about 2 minutes(he was on my lane) - also as you can see spirit has no bkb - another bad potential carry + it was obvious at start by the way he built his spells and charged that he was too reckless in what he did. So my warlock wasn't selfish at all - I simply decided not to support bad carries because we would lose and decided to win the game myself(which I did) It's not my fault that he is bad, but I'm not going to waste my time with bad players.
So yea, that's why I say that supporting is useless because in normal bracket you have no idea if a carry class hero in your team will know what he's doing so you have to take control of the game yourself. As for the blink on Warlock... well the game was over, 2 lanes pushed, I had gold so I bought another item... doesn't really matter.
So to get back on point, I respect your opinion - however things in normal bracket work a little differently. This meow guy couldn't control his temper and left the game because the guys on bot didn't go take the rune - he couldn't handle playing handicapped because he is too used to others doing his dirty work ( he was supposed to go for that rune by the way ) and decided to leave. See that's weak. A lot of my games look exactly like that. And of course I can't go much higher than 50% winrate because of all the bad players - it's a teamplay game after all. Another thing is that most of the guys here just stacked up got on a lucky streak and now think they're hotheads because they play in better brackets. Truth is that even though they are better players in general, doesn't mean that everyone who plays in normal belongs there.
Also I really want to know what do I have to do to get into higher brackets because it seems to me that the only way to do that is to play 3-4 same heroes all the time until you get pushed up which is quite boring by the way.
I mean people like this guy : The Terrible
Ahahahah this is so funny. So hop OP goes that people with high winrate are just getting carried every game. Lets go to OP latest matches (win only):
http://dotabuff.com/matches/282453652 - carried by smurf huskar
http://dotabuff.com/matches/282404413 - carried by SB
http://dotabuff.com/matches/280303202 - Hey he has 16 kills... carried by medusa
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279042872- nyx and antimage
http://dotabuff.com/matches/278955011 - draw with a drow
Thats 5 wins on a row being carried. Yeah, sure you did good in some of those games, but holy shit you are a hypocrite. Have fun in normal bracket.
Actually consider having a 10/2 stats and stuff like that 'getting carried' what the fuck :D? like no clue.
This community reminds of the good old dota1 days when people used to kick you out of their games because you weren't known or you had a too low level. In the end all of them were just mediocre... just like these guys. (hello2you kanyebest)
edit @ sAm - yea I'd like to know as welll
@wolfgang Like I already said... don't really care a lot about that but I might just set myself for example 15 denies per game at least just to up my stats. Isn't a problem to me.
My account is old as balls and I have battled through a lot of wierd shit in DotA2. Guaranteed if I was to do an account recreate I would be able to get that number a lot higher with what I currently know about how shit works. Actually that sounds cocky so maybe not by much but enough to have people not always pull that number.
Winrate shows you know how to win a game and one of the easiest ways to do this is by stacking. My inablity to win more than 50% is because of the broad range of players I play with. Look through the games on my landing page, each is a different stack of players some normal, high, and very high. So because I don't exclusively stack with the same 5 at high skill I won't win games over 50% and I will move around in the different skill pools.
Suggestion: Play the game for another month or two, practice last hitting, denying, map awareness, juking. Then remake your account if remaining in normal frustrates you.
@Sam Its my item argument over offensive defensive items. All those items are good solo and combined on the right heroes but...I feel that he simply got these as a "running" mechanism as opposed to a fighting one. An amigo of mine (current top ursa) http://dotabuff.com/matches/272723274 I don't think has ever gone that cause if you spend the whole game running and not actually fighting you are just going to slowing lose the game. Sorry I am no so eloquent and I type things as they come to mind I just feel it is "legit" if say, a high skill ursa pro was using it offensively and if they were to do it, it would because they are trolling or have some new strategy in mind.
TL;DR Item build on Ursa for aggression not fleeing and hiding.
Update: Your winrate doesn't mean that you don't know how to win I just pulled that as an example for stacking.
About brackets / mmr: based on Valve devs the matchmaking is based on ELO. Which compares you to other players on a scale from a to b, easiest to say 0-100. In Dota 2 that is divided into 3 boxes. When a game is formed in MM, the system takes players from similar ELO ratings and forms teams. Then it counts the average ELO of the players and determines the bracket of the match.
So, unless they have made some significant changes to the way it determines rating, you gain ELO by winning a match and lose ELO by losing. Losing to a team with lower ELO than yours nets a larger drop in rating, winning against a higher ELO team nets you a larger gain.
Again, unless they have implemented a way to include in-game stats in the calculations, only the rating gained from winning and losing matters.
I see that you are a fairly good player but what I solely hate is you calling everyone else trash. As you can see from meow's perspective, he was stating some of your mistakes. Same goes with you telling meow that is is weak. Just try to accept that people make mistakes but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are in a trashy level. Well I guess it just runs in the dota community. I, too have a hard time stopping myself from flaming because people are OC in games sometimes
@Denies are fairly important too, it's not just some stats
And playing more games would definitely make you in a higher bracket, unless you don't do well. Just play more games and hf. If you keep up these kinds of games, i'm pretty sure you'd have high games in no time.
I called meow 'trash' because he stated that I died a bunch of times on a lane which in fact I didn't die at all - that wasn't stating a mistake - it was lying - that's just pathetic. Yeah there's no doubt about him being good - but he's weak in terms of not being able to handle some real shitness on a public ( the kind I face every day) and playing alone.
Also as for others, well a guy(like Zenoth) who searched my only 0 kills X deaths game in like what last 50 games I played and goes to analyze it... that's not only a trash player, but also a weakling with inferior skills in terms of everything he says because he has to resort to such sillyness to win an argument - if you understand what I mean.
Agree with everything else you said Wolfgang.
To put into hard numbers.
No deny = 62 exp melee | 41 exp range
Deny = 18 exp
See the number difference? Also check this out...just a friendly & mostly just shit talking each other and auto attacking but I was focused on denying in the first 10 minutes just to piss the mid guy off.
Needless to say http://postimg.org/image/qwnvz3xmb/ I was level 10 when he was level 4 and because I had focused denies I had souls and last hitting was easier and because he was under-leveled it just got harder for him.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DENY!! Please remember this.
You are amazing. Let's look at all the argument we've used against each other.
You first bring up how my win rate is below 60% for stacking. Let's not even talk about how I stack with friends IRL who have skill levels ranging from 1st day of Dota to 1st page material. I bring up how Dendi has 55% win rate, you tell me you don't give a shit - it doesn't matter. Nice counter-argument there.
You then mention how you stomp alot more games than me. I bring up the point that your win rate is worse, so that obviously isn't statistically true. Once again, you ignore that point, and hurl more insults insinuating my lack of ability.
Next you casually take the worst game on my profile at that moment and analyzed it (in which I was stacking with normal bracket friends, the kind of people you play with). I returned the favour, picked one of the losses on your profile (didn't even have to search dude, it was on your freaking profile at that time), and pointed out all the mistakes you made, from adding Essence Aura at level 1 to not bringing TP scrolls, absurdly bad laning, last hitting, mechanical skill, positioning, awareness, item build, skill build. Your counter-argument?
"(like Zenoth) who searched my only 0 kills X deaths game in like what last 50 games I played and goes to analyze it... that's not only a trash player, but also a weakling with inferior skills in terms of everything he says because he has to resort to such sillyness to win an argument - if you understand what I mean."
Perhaps you're just too deluded to realise that DotaBuff displays your last 7 games played on your profile and I merely picked from it. Good job with all the insinuations there.
You don't even have the ability to counter any of the points I bring up to explain to you why you're normal bracket scum. Continue living in your deluded world. As a present to you, I'll analyze one of your "stomps" and tell you how badly you did (despite your WIN with godly KDA).
280303202
your highest stats game on your profile currently.
just like before, i'm not going to bother to trawl through your previous matches played.
downloading the replay now.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH shiiit its on now
This is the game you won and went 16-8-12 on Bloodseeker. It had the most kills of all the games on your profile now so I chose this.
2:00 At top lane, duo lane with you and Ogre against Lion and VS. They do negligible damage to you, and you can easily regain harassment damage with denies. Instead you let yourself get zoned out.
3:16 You do an exceedingly stupid mistake. Against two, potentially three disables you walk into the opponent's creep wave after yours has died in order to try to get one last hit. You get chain disabled, and your poor teammate can only watch helplessly as you die. No doubt you blamed him for not stunning earlier or something. Oh, and you added two levels of Thirst at level 3. Instead of a 120 damage nuke + 6 second silence, one of the best one-point wonders in the game, you choose to go for Thirst. Against two disablers controlling the lane against you. Hell, even Bath would be a much better choice.
3:40 Instead of buying a TP scroll to get back to the lane faster and pick up your Boots in the side shop or something, you buy boots first and walk back to lane.
5:15 The creep wave reaches right in front of your tower just out of tower range. You could force deny and keep the lane equilibrium there, making it much safer for you to farm, but denying is for tryhard stack noobs who want to pad their stats, so obviously why should you? Auto-attacking is for pros and pushing the lane out, then getting zoned and tower-hugging for the next wave is obviously the way to go.
6:00 For whatever reason, you decide to gank mid at level 3 without Rupture or Bloodrage. The opponent Clock obviously gets away. You take some of Medusa's creeps from mid, and reach level 4. Next skill point goes into Bloodbath.
6:36 Scum - the Medusa uses her Mystic Snake to farm the wave and you try to contest her last hits despite being at full hp - too bad you missed. Now you're just camping mid, competing with her for exp and farm.
9:20 You get caught out stupidly by DK and Clock. No points in silence, not spending you gold to upgrade to a PMS for survivability, no getting TP scrolls. Stupid and well-deserved death.
9:50 You TP out to mid with 900 gold in the stash. What, saving up for Sacred Relic?
11:15 PURE GOLD. You rupture VS who is already caught in Naga's net. The damage log shows you did a grand total of 60 damage from movement to VS - your teammates basically won a team fight 4v3 with you leeching exp and contributing nothing.
12:00 You have 2000 gold at this point - majority of which is "assist" gold - a term I use loosely because you certainly didn't assist whatsoever - two of them you didn't even get an assist for, just happened to reach in time to get some money.
12:50 You head to the large creep camp on Radiant side. It's a troll stack. What do you kill first? The big one. That's 20 gold and 24 exp, along with some extra regen that you missed right there. Good job.
13:40 You get a lucky kill on a Venomancer who forgets about TP scrolls and an enemy Bloodseeker.
16:00 2.8k gold in the bank. Looks like it's really a Sacred Relic. Opponents are ahead but terrible, enemy Lion picks up a Dagon.
17:00 You afk at your top T2 tower for nearly 30 seconds. That's enough time to kill 2 neutral camps.
17:58 Didn't bother pulling out the red hp creep from the Radiant Large camp so that it would spawn again, ofc stuff like this are for tryhard pro wannabes.
18:50 Your team picks up 2 kills mid while you afk jungle rice. The current player with lowest kill participation on your team is you, with 4/13. Your Medusa has 9/13.
20:25 Congratulations, your first item after brown boots.
21:43 Instead of cutting the tree to walk between the Radiant pull camp and the Radiant Medium camp, you walk one big round. Missed another stack timing also. Don't think you know about how Quelling Blade can cut trees.
23:30 Your team gets wiped 3v5, with you and Ogre making it to the scene too late. Luckily two idiots decided to walk back to base at red hp and you pick up a double kill. Impressively you actually manage to buy your Radiance recipe before the remaining 3 rape your sorry ass.
27:00 No idea what the fuck your enemies are doing. Two easy kills for your team.
29:00 Medusa is ahead of everyone in terms of farms and levels, your opponent's carry (DK) has nothing. Supports keep getting caught out for Charge or Rupture. Your team has basically won the game at this point.
For one of the "best" games on your profile, you didn't even do anything right as BS. No early pressure or ganks, terrible laning stage, bad skill progression. You got lucky that the enemies were simply alot worse, not finding any farm, not finding any last hits, putting their carry on the suicide lane without support, while continually getting caught out by star pubstomper SB. Hell, Medusa did a much better job, abusing runes and ganking side lanes alot more than YOU on BLOODSEEKER did. Shame on you.
Come on, at least make a valid point instead of ad hominem arguments. Explain yourself instead of putting down everyone but you.
add me
Just noticed on that game, Dragon Knight had a battlefury!
tbh @coach, its really easy to get up to a higher bracket. You don't even need a decent team. If you're as good as you say you are, play some snowballing heroes. No matter how bad your team is, its really hard to lose in normal level games unless you're not really into it. But surely you can't be 100% not into it can you? I find that your first 10 games right after your first creation of your dota account is most important in determining what skill bracket you get into. If u do really well in first five, you can easily get into high or very high. Okay lets say you dont do well at all for whatever reason in your first ten games. You get stuck in normal. What next? Easy. Win say another 5-10 games in a row with an overwhelming difference. You move up the skill bracket. That easy.
I read earlier that you make a comparison between the bad players of very high and normal. I can tell you that they are not the same. The bad players in normal are actually bad. So bad that it doesnt matter if ur teammates are bad. Because the enemy team wont be able to take advantage of their 'badness' anyway. If ure that good, you take advantage of the trashiness of the normal bracket skill level and move up.
I find it also ridiculous if you think other people like zenoth are worse than you. Look at the way he critiques and the way you critique the way both of u play dota. He talks about gameplay and subtle intricacies whereas u comment on how a support or w/e have this and that item and 40:xx. See what I mean? Accept that there are people are better than you. Sure the mm system now is kinda crappy. But for you not to move up from a normal skill bracket is not because of the mm system. Its you. The mm system is crappy now because it allows players who are say at high/normal slip up into very high. Heck its even more absurd why I don't see you in high skill bracket due to the recent mm change. Something is really wrong here. lol.
Funny Zenoth. I picked your AM game because it was your last, and I didn't even analyze you, but the bracket instead.
Again you completely missed the point even though I like your analysis. First thing's first. I wanted to go mid, medusa insisted on mid and that in turn completely fucked up my early game. Why? Pretty simple. 2 melee vs 2 ranged with 3 stuns/disables. Complete nightmare lane. Nothing we can do. Also building up Thirst on a seeker is the best possible thing( at least when you play mid) and certainly was the correct move given the fact we could not do anything at top lane(Which was quite clear when I tried to go for the creep you mentioned). Don't really know why I didn't have silence, usually I have it on lvl 4, guess I missed it this time.
Yes, medusa did a fine job, fucking up my early game, fucking our top lane up, getting killed 1st mid while having the advantage over clockwerk... we were lucky that they were shit otherwise our top lane would have been lost quickly along with mid lane. So much for your star player Medusa... see you think you got the game, but in fact you don't know exactly what happened IN GAME - why I seemed to afk now and then and stuff - it was the discussion in the chat with an egoistic Medusa.
These 'little' things you missed ruin the game completely from the start. First me playing a hero at a side lane which I specifically play at mid because his potential is best there. Second an annoying Medusa which fucks up our top lane with his egoism. Third me going afk from time to time to talk with the shitfag. Yes, things like that are the reasons I lose games. A smartass in the team shows up and fucks up the game with his tactics - or just feeds. Then there really isn't anything you can do.
and the 16/8/12 score isn't really a pub stomp for me. Too many deaths. More like an average winning game.
@flyingpigs Not that easy. Just recently had a 12 or 13 winning spree. Nothing happened. In fact the next few games were the shittest games I played in a while.
You say something is wrong? I'll tell you whats wrong.
My last 20 games. Won 11 games. Lost 9 games.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/282494655
Nothing to say really, meow played husk on smurf account, left after 2 mins, another guy left too, 3on5 game. Losing easy as that - bad team.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/281389665
We were holding up fine, could win easily but I had problems with internet near the end of the game so I forced a push before I disconnect even though it was risky and in the end it didn't work. I'd say this game was very unlucky due to external factors I couldn't control.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279887062
I was controlling them with Zeus until luna and never got bkb, got tougher but the real problem was a gondar who got his battlefury after 40minutes and a Kunkka who kept farming instead of helping us out. Not only that, but enchan lost his internet and we played the reminder of the game 4on5. Bad team yet again with zero pushes. I don't think we had any towers down - and disc.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279265532 Another wrong game. A drow who builds 3rd spell all the time and not silencing anyone + a slow reaction AA - You can't really win a game vs 4 disablers and a void who is feeding on noobs while the key hero in your team doesn't silence(and feeds) and doesn't initiate anything from invis. Bad team yet again.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/279206073 worst game of mine in a while + a bad team too, everything was just bad so lets say I fucked this one up.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/278003927 Don't remember much of this game, only that our mage was failing in silencing brewmaster and that invoker was just plain bad. Game was over under 20 minutes when they got most of our lanes down. Nothing I could do with this hero(felt like playing PA, maybe I shouldn't have but it doesn't really matter.)
http://dotabuff.com/matches/277440704 Another 4on5 game from one point.Also a bad drow yet again who can't silence and they just rolled us most of the ganks due to superior stuns and initiations. Yet another game screwed up by 2 guys.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/277378874 Chen and Maiden fed riki 23/3... Don't need to tell you how that one turned up.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/277287258 Our main carry jugger no items 36 minutes. Pudge also quite bad as well(think he went mid didn't do much, don't remember) All of that resulted in meepo stomping them and rolling us. Also except for me nobody bothered to buy dusts until it was over. Yet again a mediocre team.
So yea out of those 9 games, I played horrible once, got unlucky once due to internet, other 7 games got fucked over by bad team and disconnects. Yes, something is wrong here. Or I should just play troll and doom all the time, maybe that will fix it.
Funny Coach how you missed every point he made about how you don't play well
Let's see. You failed to argue any of the points I made as usual. On to yours.
Complete nightmare lane? You decide to take a creep when your entire wave dies and you wonder why? They had no harassment. They do jack to you with your stout shield. Their only hope is to burst you down when you were out of position, and you gloriously gave them the opportunity to do so. Don't blame the lane, you were horrendous at choosing when to take last hits. If you last hit and denied properly, you could easily out last them. They were terrible. But unfortunately, so were you.
Here's what you said about denying: "Doesn't make a huge impact in my games since I'll still win my lane - would it be better if I cared more? Of course - would it change anything? Don't think so."
The irony. Or perhaps you didn't know that denies gives Bloodseeker hp as well, as you had one of the lowest denies that game on both teams.
Medusa out-farmed Clock mid. Against Clock one positional mistake will get you killed, just like against Pudge. But I'm sure you'll fail to appreciate that fact, especially when you yourself fed Clock multiple times. If he was egoistical that game, he had the right to do so - he played alot better than you did.
I didn't play well because a medusa fucked up my early game. Guess I played well with 16/8/12 stats in the end. It is a nightmare lane, doesn't matter how they do, what matters is that it wasn't supposed to be like that. And that is the whole point. Yes Im sure that a Medusa that doesn't care how good other lanes do played better than us. Good logic. Also I don't remember him ganking top. Ever.
So you would insist that you get the middle lane and put medusa offlane because you can't play any other way? That's pretty much the definition of a normal-bracket player.
Also,
MID OR FEED CYKA