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FLOCCOUSTIC

    Wtf!! Lesh pos 1?? "Said every SEA player ever"
    And get auto report..

    frankish.坦率

      You will get 9 reports if you pick pugna pos 1

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      Throat singing enjoyer

        Leshrac Gigachad hero

        dict_atr1

          I have been playing pos 1 Enigma over the last couple of months, and have found some success. An important thing to consider is that your pos 2 and/or 3 should be frontliners that deal physical damage so there is a balance of both magical and physical damage.

          Metsis

            It is the mixed damage that carries the game. Magic damage dealers are usually on the squishier side and a stacked PA can kill 2-3 of these while her BKB 6 seconds is ongoing... Without taking much damage back from any of them. In the very late game, you need "through BKB" effects just due to this reason... Abyssal Blade for example. A stunned PA with BKB on isn't as intimidating.

            ET

              Show me a magic damage pos 1 that could scale like a PA, Troll or Medusa with divine rapier(s). Able to blow up a single target in one series of spell-casts (equivalent to one dagger + blink from PA), or steadily hit the entire enemy team for 400+ damage per .5 seconds(like Dusa). And that’s why magic pos 1s will never be fully popular in pubs. Hybrid carries may still see viability without getting flamed and reported, but I can’t see it for pure magic-reliant dps. Similar to having something like Spirit Breaker pos 1, you will be “on a timer” to end the game, before at a certain point you’re just raw outscaled by the enemy pos 1, and from there you hope that your team coordination makes up for the difference in power levels

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              just4fun

                Please stop giving overconfident people bad ideas because they will ruin game for other 4 people in their team...
                Next time you write article like this you should back it up with 20 games statistic showing that it really works... (at least 40% + win rate with pugna pos1)

                SirFalcon

                  Another bad article, just retire.

                  dict_atr1

                    Position 1 Enigma deals percentage magical damage based on max hp with midnight pulse. It pierces spell immunity, meaning it will always scale. The only way that damage can be reduced is by purchasing magic resistance items. Moreover, blackhole itself does pure damage; 200 damage per second for 4 seconds. With aghanim's scepter, an extra 5% of max hp is dealt as dps. I've been documenting my games as position 1 Enigma. Here is a list of them below:
                    6165308154, 6165939860, 6165981279, 6166834959, 6166926865
                    6167132382, 6167351195, 6171228458, 6173808699, 6177409395
                    6181034647, 6186697726, 6187296957, 6191373248, 6191739527
                    6192609633, 6223093904, 6233304262, 6234374476, 6234553325
                    6235968096, 6248577282, 6251938769, 6254019813, 6260523568
                    6265578961, 6268814004, 6270121775, 6271808743, 6271877694
                    6281301829, 6284802302, 6292248826, 6298497083, 6298549071
                    6301436363, 6326959364, 6331031625

                    Sernyx

                      @ET
                      Tinker can, if sent to pos1 to dodge an unfavorable mid matchup. I personally see magic pos1's as heores who can theoretically dish out tons of damage, but usually tend to build mostly tank because they need a crapton of items to stay relevant as a DPS. Pango and Timber are first that come to mind from that area. Timber is pretty self-explanatory, while Pango deals most of his damage through his ult and spamming W with aghs and a few attack modifiers (all of those are magical).

                      MTisgreat

                        A big problem with the magic vs physical pos 1 battle is that ethereal form - which is used to counteract getting bursted just becomes a non factor as long as nullifier exists

                        Turbo Virgin

                          The reason right clicking carries are so important and the usual pick is objectives. Lesh and pugna can kill heroes but can't keep pace with a right clicker when it comes to killing rosh or destroying towers past 30ish minutes. There are pos 2's and 3's that can make up the difference but you lose out on potentially game changing utility. I do like lesh or Pugna as niche pos 1's if the game is open for the pick but it's just a lot more reliable to run them 2. Overall good article (but it really should have mentioned the objective taking problem it's kind of important).

                          Rakzor

                            Lmaooo please don’t give noobs any ideas, following any suggestions in this article (Pugna pos 1?!) will lose you mmr

                            GGdog

                              @Turbo Virgin

                              "Lesh and Pugna cant keep pace with a right clicker when it comesto destroying towers"
                              Wtf did I just read
                              You know what their spells do right?

                              ThomasTheDankEngine

                                Bsj, speed, quojva > dotabuff articles

                                Slim Shady

                                  I guess ill go try psychical carry pugna next game double moonshard daedalus and mjolnir

                                  NLD Unity.JC God

                                    timbersaw pos 2 forever

                                    GodsPetMonkey

                                      Leshrac sure in the right game. Pugna, no, just no. You left out the queen of mixed damage though, Death Prophet. Agh's DP is completely capable of carrying games especially if the other team has strength heroes and/or only mediocre burst. Even BKB is very limited utility vs DP as Exorcism is physical and it doesn't stop damage from an existing Spirit Siphon.

                                      maïve

                                        intel heroes you could argue for a true pos 1 is Lesh, NP, and probably the old OD. Would be nice to have a right-click mid like TA or Lina tho.

                                        NegroCaucasian

                                          The amount of spelling and grammer mistakes makes one question how this site collects thousands of dollars a month, but can't have an editor read over their blog.

                                          Играю нестандартно

                                            Personally, I think that the main problem of balancing the attributes of heroes is strength (after all, if we remember earlier, even high-level heroes could rarely have 2k + hp). For some heroes, for example, BB has a gain of only 2.9, and I will remind you that this hero needs to be in the center of a fight and often run after the enemy and experience the effect of exhaustion, which is too much in dota (so you can not talk about the back at all), but at the same time WR has a strength gain of 3.0 per level, while having in fact invulnerability from physical damage, high mobility and, in principle, being a hero of a long-range battle, Tinker has 2.5 strength per level (and this is a little more than Lifestealer, who, even if has a built-in BKB, but he is an extremely contact hero) at the same time has a matrix that protects him from any type of damage (or rather, giving him an unbreakable blink) and in addition gives 50% resistance to effects. In short, the author, I liked your article and would like to see the analysis of the attribute of power

                                            ῤℌoℇṅἰX

                                              Just trying to counter a https://www.dotabuff.com/players/193144360 who recommended Enigma in comments above.

                                              I am a level 30 Enigma myself; you can't consider him at all in this argument since MP and BH are extremely high CD spells, and they are also limited as AOE. In regular ganks in which there is heavy movement, you can only rely on Malefice (not a heavy damage or disable) and Edilons which only scale in damage after level 20.

                                              I could have agreed though for Enigma as a number 1 pick for this case only if Necronomicon existed. RIP!

                                              And not to forget, he is paper hero to quickly die off the hands of any burst damage magic or physical enemy.

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                                              Charlie Bobby Rickyson

                                                Right click carries are just reliable since they dont require much positioning and they dont become useless in fights after they cast their spells or the enemy presses bkb.

                                                dict_atr1

                                                  Thank you for your response @ῤℌoℇṅἰX. I will go through each of your points with my own points.

                                                  -"MP and BH are extremely high CD spells, and they are also limited as AOE."
                                                  I will not consider cooldown reduction below.
                                                  At max level, midnight pulse's cooldown is 35 seconds, whilst it's uptime is 12 seconds; more than 1/3 of it's cd. The radius of midnight pulse is rather large, and will deal a decent amount of damage to multiple enemy heroes. For blackhole, at max level its cooldown is 160 seconds.

                                                  -"In regular ganks in which there is heavy movement"
                                                  Why would you be ganking as a pos 1 Enigma? Your objective is to farm.

                                                  -"you can only rely on Malefice (not a heavy damage or disable) and Edilons which only scale in damage after level 20."
                                                  In every game as pos 1 Enigma, I purchase helm of the dominator (HOTD) to build into helm of the overlord (HOTO). If I really need to fight without blackhole, I have my HOTD/HOTO creep with malefice, my eidolons and my hero; enough to deal sufficient damage in the early/mid game.

                                                  -"I could have agreed though for Enigma as a number 1 pick for this case only if Necronomicon existed. RIP!"
                                                  As I said above, HOTD and HOTO are suitable alternatives to necronomicon.

                                                  -"And not to forget, he is paper hero to quickly die off the hands of any burst damage magic or physical enemy."
                                                  There are many position 1's that are 'paper'. For example, Leshrac and Pugna (magical) or Weaver and Phantom Assassin (physical). I don't see a problem with Enigma being 'paper' too.