if u r not comfortable with casual blink, get a sb
dagon aint a good built, too
people who are somehow good mostly go for bots/midas/blink/mjollnir/bloodthorne, and last slot is kinda situational.
sliver edge it actually a real good choices but i don't like running wnat speed get Boost of Travel
Necro MAN dammm soo good true sight mana burn and let not forgot last will Enemy still kill NECRO and die FUNNY :P
It's the same thing like picking techies before the nerf both team will hate you for picking it
in my opinion necro on arc warden isnt that good anymore as he needs now to much time to farm it + he cant spam it as he used to.
Trust me you will want to buy Necro it help push with 4 necro and you can get gold from that lane you push and it doesn't take long to get a necro book after midas maybe 15 min max
Necro is not as good on arc right now. Situational, bot not core for sure. People just dont know how to play arc or how to play against him while he is in a pretty good spot. Check out his 5k+ mmr wr.
im at 5,7k at the moment. I really do know how to play arc.
The problem is that even if you get your midas early, you really got to farm the necro + BoTs. Which just takes to long time, since arc warden got changed. He really is a rightclicker or burster now.
Spamming your necros now is more or less a feed. But that may vary. I cant deny that having necros + a beastmaster in your team is pretty damn good
In normal skill arc is absolute beast thats for sure, i can even confirm it. And still strong in higher brackets.
wr? And you right i buy necro for pushing cause old habbit i guess but dammm they still work Somehow they still manage to kill enemy supp trying to stop the push you just need TO ACTACK MOVE A LANE AND LET THEM DO THIER JOB and maybe after sometime you get a free kill
i you are supp YOU WON"T WANT TO FIGHT LEVEL 3 necro extremly annoying
was against an arc warden today as zeus, i won mid with an almost non-existent advantage. in ns where everybody fends for nobody but himself, level 6 arc warden in mid can solo kill anyone without an automatic escape
Necrobooks on Arc Warden is sooo bad and delays the time you become very very effective early on. 5000 gold on something every 80 seconds or someshit?
Listen to triple steal. Arteezy spammed necro on arc for a bit but in one game he fed like 30k necro gold because game got drawn out...
Well, I've been spamming arc warden and I'm loving it. Real fun hero. I'm having bad time rushing either midas or Necro. I go Bootle, Aquila, Brown Boots and then Midas.
Try making Diffusal Blade. Your clone has infinite charges and diffusal is really fucking good, buy diffusal 2 ASAP since you'll not be using on your main hero anyway. ALso, the only hero which I find hard to play against is Invoker, since he can immediatly counters yours Spark Wraith.
Early on can you buy a salve on your main clone and salve your main with your clone though? I saw arteezy tru something like that on stream.
i do wonder how would beastmaster fell feeding necro gold If they cost sooo much like you guy said and Arc can't even spam that much necro anymore(kill necro to had 800 damg worth it ? )
Invo can summon forge spirit to fuck up with spark wraith. Try to editing your comments instead of writing another one
Edit:invo is not a direct counter to aw .
Necro arc warden is dogshit since ult nerf. There's a fuckton of things you can do with this hero but necronomicon is not one of them. You should always go for midas though. From there, you can do whatever the hell you want because the hero is broken. You lack initiation? Go silver edge or blink dagger. You want lockdown/control? Go for orchid and hex. You want split push? Go for travels and mjolnir, maybe even a deso. The hero has great stats so you don't rly need to build into tankiness items aside from maybe bkb.
As for counters, from my experience ember pretty much destroys arc warden at all stages of the game, especially later on. Tiny and Invoker are also really good, sven is great, ursa is great, am is good. Pretty much any melee hero that can jump arc warden and kill him really fast will be good against him. Also heavy spell damage dealers fuck him up pretty hard, invoker (as mentioned before) and tinker are good.
Couter aw? Ez dude "Lycan" you can't stop him you can't slow him you can only tp if he come after you and since aw skill 2 isn't good anymore cuz when Lycan enter that stupid circle it is not miss anymore.
Tinker? lmao Arc shits on tinker. Sven is extremely easy to deal with since you slow him, am is good, Invoker is useless once you get orchid. you really shouldnt be jumped on since you should have the double in the front lines.
@Sir.Swirl If only invoker regularly built an item that deals with silence and doesn't cost much. Oh wait he does, its called eul's scepter and it will come out way before arc warden can finish his orchid.There's literally no way you should die to arc warden as invoker once you have eul's. As for sven, i'm sure slowing him will be very useful when he blinks in your face with an echo sabre and bkb on. The only way arc shits on tinker is if the tinker sucks. Spark wraiths in the treeline will be annoying but by the time you've guessed where the tinker might be, he will already be out of there. Only way they're useful is if you set them up beforehand everywhere. Yeah you can send your illusion to maybe kill him but good luck keeping the illusion alive in the march spam and with the other heroes around.
early game Arc shits on Tinker. and @Fourwords, did you know Arc has 2 silences so everything you said can basically be ignored since you shouldn't be in a position where Sven can blink onto you, Thats just trash 1k things like you. if your chasing Tinker around the map instead of taking the objective than once again 1k things. Tinker can't lane against a Arc
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2466671111 Oh look Euls Invoker such a good counter for 2 silences isn't it? only a 30k comeback
Except sven has bkb at 20 minutes and arc warden wont have skadi by that time in a million years. Did you know the 2nd silence doesn't matter because after euls you can blink away or just spam ghost walk/tornado + you might have teammates on their way? Good luck taking objectives against march spam fam lol. This twat calling me 1k trash when he's hovering at ns/hs (aka 3.1-3.2k, moreover in Australia which is worse than SEA skill wise) after 1.6k ranked games when im already at his rank after 200 ranked games on EU-W. ayyy lmao keep going champ. Go ahead and try laning as arc warden against tinker if he maxes first 2 spells. You'll have about 10 cs at 5 minutes. All you have to do as tinker is stay close to creeps, ac's slow will be canceled and the spark wraith will be very unlikely to hit while arc warden himself cant hit you because lasers. It's not my fault you keep playing against morons and think you're good because of it. Anyways well memed mate, im out. It gets tough when you have to explain obvious shit after a while.
ps: l2edit your posts
Invoker is out of the fight isn't he. If you let Sven get BKB in 20 minutes once again your fault, you can easily kill him early game since he has no bkb right at the 10 minute mark? Half my games my damage don't come from my Items. Also SE-A is complete trash the only reason they would be in the pro scene is that the entire continent plays the game. everything you suggest is your own mistakes in a game that allow others to do good.
"from my experience ember pretty much destroys arc warden at all stages of the game" well you know at 2k mmr of course a Arc aint going to be playing him right. whats that you say? just use flame gaurd! Oh wait Arc Warden can purge it off now and we all know Ember Spirit can't man fight.
"well you know at 2k mmr of course a Arc aint going to be playing him right." You pretty much admitted that you aint playing him right. purge flameguard? oh wait im next to a creep, oh wait i dodged it with SoF cause the animation is about as slow as your thinking, oh wait its irrelevant outside of laning stage, nice purge fam, very reliable. alright now im out. We turned this thread into even more of a shitfest than it already was. Pretty sure it's my fault for trying to argue with a delusional person. (clegane in disguise?)
i can easily counter arc warden mid with juggernaut.
start with 1 pack tango+PMS
juggernaut have more damage and attack speed.
win the lane with creep control and juggernaut 1st skill to negate any magical damage.
yeah and rune control.
And you still lose, because Arc doesn't care much about CS. He is probably one of the best exp scaling heroes in early game. Which is why you can also run him off. Pubs are greedy enough these days, so trilanes are super rare. Arc isn't a good laner in the first place. You can win the lane with pretty much any good mid-laner. Queen, Invoker, you name it.
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I MEAN HE IS AWESOME but when in rank i pick him they all like are you crazy, stupid, noob, retared,........ I mean why? no one can counter him ( as least i haven't saw any hero that can do it ) My build pretty much like this
HAND OF MIDAS ( MAY THROW LATER)
NECRO BOOK
Mjollnir(really really core item)
BloodThorn
Butterfly ( SWICTH TO MKB IF NEEDED)
Boost of Travel
Satanic( Really help keeping you alive)
and with that you can kill anyone and be a real pain for the enemy so do you underestimate him ?????