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General DiscussionThoughts on the dream league major.

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Ashes

    I'm really curious what the meta will be like other than the viper and naix bans.
    I've seen pros spamming/playing bloodseekr, underlord, etc in pubs.

    Also who do you think are most likely to get top 4 this major?

    CANTFUCKENWIN

      wait for the comeback of magnus,ember,necro..they will be pick or ban i think.

      secret is really good..vp,eg,liquid/nip/fanatic will be on top..

      mic

        Viper will most likely be the most contested hero and with him also naix, rubick, kotl, tiny and sven will probably remain really popular. in addition to those, i agree with the previous comment that necro and ember will rise in popularity, so will pangolier and oracle.

        My favourites for top 4 will be liquid, secret, ehome and (maybe) nip. I dont think eg is top tier. vp has had performance issues lately after doing really well at the start of the year (maybe they really were just joking around and they are still top tier, i dont really know) . psg.lgd has in my opinion completely fallen off and fnatic is really overrated, i dont think they are even top 8 team overall atm.

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        Perpetual State of Indiff...

          i hope people stop picking tiny he really doesnt do anything after laning stage. lifestealer is really popular but not without counters. i am expecting to see a lot of phantom lancer tbh

          One True Merchant

            #1 is gonna be OG, of course. The TI8 champs are back, baby! They're gonna rekt Secret, Liquid and VP just like they did in TI8.
            EZ TI9

            Ashes

              OG is not even playing in this major. Pog.

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              ×××

                I imagine we will be seeing a lot of Pangolier, Viper, Oracle and Leshrac. Dark Seer, Lycan, Bounty Hunter, Io, Ember Spirit and Bloodseeker will also be contested quite a bit I imagine.

                One True Merchant

                  I can't remember when was the last time I watched a game which both sides had Mega creeps.

                  Tonitrus(turbo player)

                    ^fnatic vs mineski at ti

                    I think

                    Harry Kim

                      infamous.mason will slay some chinese

                      :)

                        ^mason getting fcked by lgd lul.

                        my guess for top 4 is - secret/vp/liquid/fnatic

                        Ashes

                          Mason lol and slaying LGD, pog!

                          Harry Kim

                            that comment didnt age well.

                            Mason even dodged the media day. obviously because he's an alpha male, not insecurity about his weight/bald head.

                            TBH, his team is just bad. that Lycan gameplay was rivaling the likes of matumbaman, genius use of bkb and ultis.

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                            Cptn.Canuck

                              I feel like the support meta is going to evolve a lot through this tournament. I think right now Bane and Nyx are undervalued and going to see a lot of play. Particularly Nyx against Viper. Being able to carapace his nethertoxin, and also break his passive with vendetta should lead to a lot of viper deaths around the 10 minute mark.

                              I also think there's some sleeper heroes waiting to bust into the meta here. Particularly Wraith King, Bloodseeker, Shadow Demon, and Venomancer. They're all tempo heroes that fight well at the 10-20 minute mark, do really good at controlling melee "run at you" heroes, particularly Naix, Jugg, etc. and all have some flexibility for drafting. Could be run as an offlane, 4, or carry.

                              Perpetual State of Indiff...

                                bane is not undervalued he is the most picked hero

                                Cptn.Canuck

                                  Yeah, I should have said "under respected". Bane should be first phase banned every game imo, but he's getting a lot of play.

                                  P9^

                                    Lc jungle

                                    One True Merchant

                                      Liquid had a surprisingly terrible day.
                                      Getting 2-0ed by Secret isn't that bad.
                                      But getting 2-0ed by Keen Gaming, holy shit.
                                      They deserved it for that offlane SF first pick though. Keen Gaming played boldly too.

                                      Murranji

                                        Roflfuckinglamo at all these people saying bloodseeker is going to be a top hero or a sleeper pick.

                                        No changes from last patch apart from 5 movespeed and the same stat buff every hero got. Need I refer you back to the last blog post Dotabuff posted on the topic, bloodseeker needs levels and needs to be ahead to be playable, to do this he needs to be run mid because he contributes nothing as a pos 1 compared to other carries, but has had no buffs to help him win mid, is super susceptible to ganks. If he fails mid he has no catch up mechanic and if he falls behind he is horrible so they have to be absolutely sure he won’t lose or fall behind in mid which when you’ve got money on the line why not pick any of the dozen more sure picks with better laning stronger comeback potential and able to contribute more in early game team fights than 100 damage auto attack and an ultimate which isn’t even lethal any more.

                                        Murranji

                                          Out of the hundreds of hero picks he has been picked twice in the whole season - once as a counter pick to timbersaw by liquid https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4396938304

                                          Where he did less damage and contributed less than the offline tiny and earth spirit (carried by Maru LD).

                                          And once by some other team (they lost).

                                          He’s still in the dumpster with Riki storm Zeus etc (now riki is one which might actually be a sleeper given how much icefraud has buffed his laning).

                                          Tonitrus(turbo player)

                                            Lol sf offlane XD

                                            Perpetual State of Indiff...

                                              bloodseeker doesnt even work as a counter to certain heroes anymore, like lycan, because you can just run away from rupture without dying. he is quite shit i would be extremely surprised if he gets picked in more than 5 games

                                              varjager

                                                Its basically the same picks/bans as the last tournament i watched. Its only Secret that can draft whatever they want and still win.

                                                Ashes

                                                  I think Bs can be played currently with an ultra aggressive lineup and dmg boosters and tower seigers. Something like Bs 1, viper -2, Np-3, lesh-4, Chen 5.
                                                  Also I've seen ehome.end spamming bs in pubs and winning the day before the tourney started. Let's see if he gets picked , if he does I think that's the only playstyle where he can have a clean game.

                                                  varjager

                                                    I wonder why Universe is playing 4 and not 3 in Forward.

                                                    Fun that both j storm and infamous made it through the first elimination.

                                                    One True Merchant

                                                      PogChamp Vici slayed the king

                                                      mic

                                                        Yeah, thats kinda cool: even tho I like secret, its not nice to see only 1 team dominating

                                                        One True Merchant

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                                                          One True Merchant

                                                            This is the best tournament I've watched in a long time.

                                                            varjager

                                                              Bulldog has really stepped up as a analyst and toned down with the twitch memes. I think he paired quite well co-casting with moxxi.

                                                              Ashes

                                                                Vg were truly remarkable today. The series is going to be good with secret down to the lower bracket after playing amazing, that was a 20 game win streak of secret beaten by vici twice today. Shook things up a little as the tournament unfolds.

                                                                Tonitrus(turbo player)

                                                                  Asian dota is back!

                                                                  EmotionalDrift

                                                                    Cliffteezy verse two xD

                                                                    Liquid FeelsBadMan SadFace

                                                                    China Pog!

                                                                    Murranji

                                                                      Bloodseeker: such a a sleeper pick that he is one of the 24 heroes who hasn't been picked so far. You know who has been picked? Troll, PA, Lifestealer and Ursa. Troll and PA aren't even actually winning (only like 30%). Lifestealer though has been slaughtering. Won 11 of the 14 times he has been picked.

                                                                      Do you know who bloodseeker does the worst against? Yep, heroes that can either just turn and manfight him, or can just burst and blow him up if they get initiation on him like troll, Pa and lifestealer, and ursa.

                                                                      Heck, even his former brother in nerfed arms Leshrac is back, one of the top 5, and doing decently by winning half his matches.

                                                                      Heck, even someone like Pangolier, (most popular offlaner) who he should of course nominally be a counter to since if Pangolier rolls around or uses swashbuckle while under the effects of rupture it does lots of damage to him - now that it isn't lethal he can just fucking run away. What a brilliant idea making rupture non-lethal was.

                                                                      It's a big joke by Icefraud on us. Bloodseeker goes unpicked the entirety of 7.20 and the only change he gets in the whole of 7.21 and all its a/b/c patches is 5 extra movespeed and people expect him to suddenly be a popular pick? Roflfuckinglmao.

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                                                                      Jack Attack

                                                                        Even p9 never cried as much as murranji does.

                                                                        52 weebs not cured

                                                                          Too bad when the chinese teams doing well in some major their biased fans aren't there xd

                                                                          Ashes

                                                                            China is back, so the Chinese domination era starts now?

                                                                            Tldr: No one cares about bloodseekr.

                                                                            One True Merchant

                                                                              Wow, first Liquid, now VP 1 game away from being eliminated too?

                                                                              One True Merchant

                                                                                God fucking damn! This is why VP is my favorite team to watch.

                                                                                Cptn.Canuck

                                                                                  They only won cause I bet my shards on EG.

                                                                                  Harry Kim

                                                                                    EG with CCnC = SeemsGood
                                                                                    EG with Sufail = Omegalul

                                                                                    One True Merchant

                                                                                      Secret versus Virtus Pro HYPE

                                                                                      varjager

                                                                                        Secret - VP is the el classico, THE derby of dota right now.

                                                                                        I dont think any team should feel bad about getting outplayed by either Secret or VP. Yeah keen did alot of mistakes but they are also playing the best team in the world right now.

                                                                                        One True Merchant

                                                                                          Just pick teamfight LOOOL

                                                                                          Feachairu

                                                                                            seems like teamfighting draft is best when people dont want to fight you,litreally no ult downtimes

                                                                                            Feachairu

                                                                                              also you can counter those drafts by just literally roshaning after u die lol from teamfight

                                                                                              Feachairu

                                                                                                pls valve maderfaker why cant i watch the games and keep saying "THE SERVER IS FULL" when its just 5k5 people watching are you retardeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

                                                                                                Feachairu

                                                                                                  Perpetual State of Indiff...

                                                                                                    this game is some 966 shit

                                                                                                    Feachairu

                                                                                                      fnatic and vici is so fucking lategames and so fun to watch

                                                                                                      what is 966?

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                                                                                                      Murranji

                                                                                                        Wait an actual blood seeker was picked? I think this hero is probably too strong guys since he was picked in one game in a major. Probably needs a couple of nerfs.