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General DiscussionPos 5 is the most boring role in dota

Pos 5 is the most boring role in dota in General Discussion
Autumnus

    Basically a useless role in pubs, sure you ward but most of the time carry doesnt look at map and say tangina no missing report. Picks carry but cant last hit properly, gets item timings like 20 mins radiance.

    Acts like he is superior to supps. Can someone tell me how is this role even enjoyable?

    Well for me its boring cuz i feel like it has no impact when u have a cancer on ur team who feeds or rages

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    flourishing new leaf

      That you don't understand what role 5 is supposed to play doesn't mean it's boring or useless

      Totentanz to The King: M ...

        Dont play it then. Most people dont enjoy it too much and do it because there is no else generally. But I do enjoy it sometimes, when you have a good carry player, the two of you can destroy everything.

        Use chatwhell=mute

          yes thats the most boring part of dota2. things like this kills the game.

          Use chatwhell=mute

            and icefrog dont really give shits about support players so ppl like playing core

            Lightfury

              i always play the pos 5 whenever i play with my friends cuz i know they wont fuck up ;p;

              Valci

                i always play pos 5 period. This is because for one thing i find hitting creeps for 15-20min at the start of every game much more boring then harassing, rotating, securing runes, pulling etc. Thats just more dynamic for me. Also, my assumption going into every game is that i have better conceptual knowledge of the game then most players in my bracket. So i prefer to do what they cant or wont... look at the map for instance. I notice rotations faster and more often then most cores i play with even if i dont see them per say. You get a feel for these things. Or take care of lane equilibrium which a lot of cores at this level dont know or care about despite it being super important. Or realize when a lane is effectively secured (the carry has a lvl advantage over the opposing offlaner and is no longer in danger of dying or being shut down by him) and you can safely rotate with another support/roamer and can leave your carry 1v1 vs the offlaner. I also use what down time there is to explain these things to them as well as item choices (and hero choices pre game) depending on the opposition... lets call it doing my part for the betterment of the community. I find that a good support is much harder to play then a good carry... last hitting isnt hard nor is button mashing when youre the strongest on the map. Understanding the fundamental concepts of the game gives you far more of an edge i feel... and it helps the team that someone can give even the most basic coordination. Just my 2 cents ofc...

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                Chiquita

                  nothing is preventing you from roaming

                  if you're playing pos 5 and sitting around every game you're doing it wrong...

                  Mlada i Luda

                    @Valci. i look at it the same way too. the role itself is not boring, its jsut matter of preference . but the problem is that , are teammates who often makes it boring , people who are playing like deadbrain dogs, feeding constantly and rage to theyr supports for theyr own mistakes. i can make a lot of talking about it, better jsut watch this,
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEV2pnMJe8Y, its funny and sad at the same time .

                    low prio master

                      Supports winning your games Mr.Bluestar and you come here and say its booring pos with no impact,thank you sir!
                      I tell you this,you cant win not even one game in your bracket without support,appreciate our work.

                      Sorry grills, I'm gey ☺

                        ^ Basically this. gg

                        xDeprived

                          Seriously abyss? You have high mmr, how come you degrade look pos 5 is useless and boring?i maybe a crusader but i far more appreciate what supporting does in a game. Im sure you watch pro games or maybe not i dont care.look at how support dominates the game.

                          Tu tayta

                            It's only boring if you pick boring heroes.

                            In fact, there's boring heroes for every position, or are you going to tell me that it's fun to play a pos1 Medusa? A pos 2 DK? A pos 3 Tidehunter?

                            Playing a pos 5 DW or something similar and it's still possible to score as many or even more kills than your pos2. (depending on their pick too, of course)

                            MuLLi

                              Pos 5. every kill u get is much more sweet :D

                              moriwooper

                                Supports are basically the backbone of the team

                                Machado98 #xatubaking

                                  I love supporting, haven't done it for a while tho. I just preffer to take care of my team instead of AFK creep hitting or playing mid since mid nowadays is just too tense for me, too many ganks, way too much stress

                                  I like off too, love being a dick

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                                  NaturesProphet

                                    is it? it's maybe not the most fun but i do enjoy playing it, it's quite chill.

                                    ☻

                                      valve should buff support role and rework whole gameplay, nerf save items like glimer or force and make new items to give supports more hp/armor (like item that holds all support stuff like smokes wards dusts in 1 slot for example)

                                      spacewarp

                                        I enjoy playing position 5 :) Look how my cm kills you without any item haha.

                                        Jack__Attack

                                          They made life so good with the 7.00 update for supports then Ever since they have been making it worse and worse.

                                          6
                                          6

                                            What? I'm sure pos 5, if played correctly, has the biggest impact after pos 1.

                                            Cheap Laugh Guy

                                              Pos 5 is actually a walking creep with one ult to toss in late game
                                              The rest is up to your cores

                                              Sorry grills, I'm gey ☺

                                                Pos 5 is not only a creep it's a very good bait, escpecially if it is CM or other annoying sups. I love when in a team fight enemies are focusing me, it gives me free wins xd

                                                Google Open AI -, 2.4.72

                                                  I enjoy killing people, so I spam core. watching your hero destroys people and seeing enemy's HP bar burned is on of the most satisfying thing in dota

                                                  Talker

                                                    Interesting OP. Since I switched to support position I haven't had behavioural report with less than 15 commends, most of the time it is over 20, sometimes over 30.

                                                    Doesn't sound like "don't appreciate". Even with shit score carry commends me for making his lane piece of cake. Maybe you just have no clue how to support.

                                                    What is enjoyable? Instead ago sitting on lane you are actually trading with enemy, pulling, stacking, rotating.

                                                    I would actually say carry is most boring role. But maybe because I have no clue how to play that role properly.

                                                    Kotato

                                                      op is trolling, lets move on

                                                      Talker

                                                        Btw some supports are insanely strong even ultra late game - SD can kill some 6slotted carries by himself or save 3 team mates in chrono. WD can wipe enemy team with good iniciation and positioning. DW can kill anybody.

                                                        ywn

                                                          OP preaching it

                                                          Autumnus

                                                            All right nevermind, i go pos 5 dark willow, then i can solo kill their carry

                                                            死の恐怖 Haseo

                                                              "trolling"

                                                              MILNOR

                                                                think about players who only go p1. first half of the game they get babysat and only hit cpu creeps. 2nd half if their teammates are good they are overpowered compared to enemies. p1 players need an advantage to do well. they are too cowardly to fight fair.

                                                                ywn

                                                                  CPU creeps

                                                                  kuci

                                                                    It's the second most exciting part of dota (1st is playing bristleback solo laning against trilane), coordinating gank with random dude at mid then laugh miserably as my lion left behind when their support counter tp, it was amazing (unless you got braindead carry lol).

                                                                    Autumnus

                                                                      Seriously abyss? You have high mmr, how come you degrade look pos 5 is useless and boring?i maybe a crusader but i far more appreciate what supporting does in a game. Im sure you watch pro games or maybe not i dont care.look at how support dominates the game.

                                                                      Nah mate, im not degrading it, i highly respect dedicated pos 5 players especially pros, without a good pos 5, i might not even be divine 5 rn. The thing is i just subtly asked for the opinion of you guys regarding how underwhelming the role is in pubs aka uncoordinated games(especially normal matches like single draft)

                                                                      Bazooka Joe

                                                                        @ Abyss Watcher

                                                                        It's really frustrating at times (especially at my current bracket) But for me, there something rewarding whenever i win as a pos 5 (and that is 90% of the time because sometimes i play pos 4 when i'm playing with my friends) I prefer rotating and ganking than staying in one lane or in the jungle farming at the early stages of the game. Whether it's babysitting the hard carry or creating chaos in the offlane and mid, it makes me feel like the unsung hero (which i love)

                                                                        And also if you're pos 5 you won't get flamed that much if you f*** up sometimes. lol

                                                                        I think you're the one who gave me tips and insights on playing Chen a couple of days ago. It really helped. Thanks! :)

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                                                                        Feachairu

                                                                          there's still a unanswered question,how do you improve as a support,what the heck must be done to get your supporting better

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                                                                          schrand

                                                                            1. Valve has too many autists, they should buff supports until they are completely unbalanced and everyone plays them.
                                                                            2. Pos 5 is what you make of it. No one says you what you have to do as pos 5 or that you are even pos 5. Find your own way of destroying the enemy ancient (winning).
                                                                            3. Try to make some kills with your pos 1 and pos 4 if he is there, so pick support with high kill potencial like lion, shaman or disruptor, but it also depends on what your pos 1 picked.
                                                                            4. Go semi-carry as pos 5, dont steal last hits, but whenever any lane is free, go farm it or just go jungle when you think no one needs you. Many "supports" can carry very good, especially since talent trees (if its with dagon+eblade or with right-click builds, whatever).
                                                                            5. Go roam and have some fun by killing some enemies
                                                                            6. Play jungle as pos 5.

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                                                                            Murranji

                                                                              Anyone who says that Pos 5 is good or fun to play or useful etc etc never played pos 5. There is nothing fun about playing the game when you can’t hit creeps, have no items and no damage so you can’t do anything, can’t show your face on a lane or you will get killed instantly so you just end up falling behind in levels and farm until your team eventually loses with you having nothing to do but waste half an hour running around pointlessly.

                                                                              Bazooka Joe

                                                                                @Murranji Why do you treat your opinions as facts? Some people love to play and enjoy playing pos 5. If that's not your cup of tea then fine. But don't think that just because you dislike something, everyone who disagrees with you does not know what they're talking about. It's a bit arrogant if i may say. Please keep in mind that enjoyment is subjective and differs from one person to the other.

                                                                                moriwooper

                                                                                  @Murranji you can have decent amount of damage playing specific type of heroes tho.
                                                                                  And you can get gold and exp by participating in clashes (like tanks etc) and stacking some creeps.

                                                                                  Ps: supports shouldn't just run around doing nothing

                                                                                  Tu tayta

                                                                                    And that Murranji post is proof that he should just stick to whining about Bloodseeker being weak and not played by pros.

                                                                                    Leelaw

                                                                                      Playing that role is more relaxing imo. Less stress on gpm/xpm which gives you longer life span in real life :laugh:

                                                                                      Immortal Dragon

                                                                                        Pos 5 can be either the most fun role of all, or the most annyoing. Some heroes, like Storm and Riki, are a pain in the ass to play against as a squishy pos 5.

                                                                                        But it can be incredibly satisfying. Zoning out an offlaner, allowing him to reach lvl 2 only at minute 6, is awesome.

                                                                                        Tr13ce

                                                                                          The fact is if your teammates are retards you can't win as support. If you play core you have more chances.

                                                                                          Autumnus

                                                                                            @bazooka joe, yeah cuz chen is the only pos 5 that i can play at a high skill level

                                                                                            Vandal

                                                                                              Anyone can last hit and deny creeps. but can every support make sure their carries get those creeps?
                                                                                              I suck at pos 5 and only do it when team picks carries, but It's pretty fun to engage in early fights while carries are doing the most boring thing of all (hitting creeps). or when you zone out an enemy and watch them tilt, or TP in to turn ganks around. overall It could be fun if your carries aren't retarded.

                                                                                              have fun

                                                                                                it's fun especially when your team is losing and the enemy said: "good oracle, sad noob team"

                                                                                                Upgrayedd

                                                                                                  "Anyone who says that Pos 5 is good or fun to play or useful etc etc never played pos 5."

                                                                                                  over 80 pct of my games in solo pubs are at position 5. I find position 5 ridiculously fun.

                                                                                                  Differences in basic personality probably account for the wide variation in attraction to different roles in the game. the most frustrating part is when cores afk farm, you try to stay with them but they have things like blink which leave you in the dust. then you get ganked and yelled at for feeding. that's a bit annoying.

                                                                                                  Upgrayedd

                                                                                                    "good oracle"

                                                                                                    said no one in a pub.

                                                                                                    ever

                                                                                                    Potato PC

                                                                                                      You simply haven't find good pos. 5 hero for you. For me, it's IO, even though sometimes i use IO as pos. 2 - pos. 4