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Shou

    Rad into solar is super legit holy shit

    Autumnus

      Holy shit, I just got an ls who rushed solar crest then radiance :thinking:

      Shou

        Either way, tbh it's rlly good

        Shou

          I think going medallion then radiance is better if ur getting ur rad delayed.

          not arin

            what's good about it

            met two lifestealers against me last week, both did this build but it didn't seem like they had gamewinning impact (but who ever has that in 4k, huh)

            Totentanz to The King: M ...

              4k gold is not easy to save up. should only be done when you are freefarming and your team doesnt actually need you in the first 15 minutes at all.

              Shou

                Idk man just look at most high MMR games

                Shou

                  I think lifestealer as a hero is worse off the lower the bracket because of the team coordination involved

                  Shou

                    It feels like you can do well in the early game with a medallion, and then actually scale lategame with farm from radiance.
                    I feel like this hero just falls off hard without something to keep up his farm because imo if infest ganks r unsuccessful he loses a good source of gold income.

                    casual gamer

                      has this hero been good since slardar was op?

                      also you don't have your farm accelerant until you farm 6k gold as ls

                      maybe its good and i just have to see it in action

                      Shou

                        Well ur a relatively stable laner as ls, u have good sustain and ur not that easy to gank once u have a few levels.

                        Eddie

                          ^Anything can work in the potato bracket

                          Clippy

                            In theory it's probably better since armlet kinda sucks now with spirit vessel being a thing. I still don't think lifestealer is that good of a hero in my honest opinion. Every game that I've had with one, they never seem to do much of anything but get kited by supports.

                            Shou

                              @eddie
                              Have u bothered checking what most high MMR players build on the hero before commenting like someone with no fucking clue abt what they're talking abt

                              Tribo

                                It takes so long to build those items. During all that time you could have 2 items which means: a ready to fight lifestealer.

                                Eddie

                                  @toe guy, I repeat, anything can work in the potato bracket. I never said it was a bad build, did I? Don't get your panties in a bunch ffs, this 2018 I thought the year of being offended went by already

                                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                    you don't need to rush radiance. just get an armlet, get your radiance after. the 2.4k gold investment you make on armlet is hugely beneficial and definitely worth it in the long run. its gonna delay your radiance by like 4 minutes tops.

                                    Shou

                                      Armlet is fine I guess, but idk if u need it anymore. And Eddie stating the obvious isn't necessary. That wasn't my point obv

                                      zlotv0ur-

                                        As archon 1 u shouldn't worry about some random BSJ build.... u should worry about ur gameplay and how to improve it. I can beat archon 1 ls with lion carry so idea is improve ur gameplay ask how to lane how to push what to do not how good is ls radi.

                                        AloneInKyōto

                                          ^ smurf who thinks he’s Miracle lols

                                          Avo

                                            @seventhsign how about you reply to the actual topic instead of trying interject your unwanted opinion about his badge? :)

                                            zlotv0ur-

                                              Ok so what i think about that build ... it got popular after illidan played it ... i watched that game and i think if he went like normal build he would have more impact in early stage of game ... he would done the same shit cuz heroes he played against were bad vs ls, so i think its trend not actually good build.

                                              Shou

                                                I'm not talking abt "improving my gameplay" or whatever, I don't even play lifestealer.
                                                I'm just interested in this new build I see a lot of people building

                                                Chiwa

                                                  Probably against pl or od

                                                  Feachairu

                                                    this is the build that i do when i first started playing dota2,(my friend showed to me first)
                                                    where ancients was magic immune and ls not that nerfed in bat(not popular at that time though)
                                                    just go radi travel sangeyasha and literally chasing someone with an ancient lol

                                                    Shou

                                                      Rad lifestealer was a thing before too I remember what ur talking abt

                                                      Feachairu

                                                        literally support destroyer
                                                        it real suck against buildings tho

                                                        Shou

                                                          Well ls is good at sieging cuz of rage, u can go AC and stuff to help push

                                                          anon

                                                            its good but in a certain situation especially u need to know ur laning , ur enemy. dont follow the trend , try to read the situation. u make a wrong item since early game , u will fucked up.

                                                            Feachairu

                                                              yep i went those stuff too(before),ac and even abyssal when it was +60 dmg
                                                              still real stupi against buildings
                                                              need like to kill everyone first(which is pretty easy when you get the rad at 15-20)

                                                              yes yes,listen to this man
                                                              itemization must not be static,it must be fluid!

                                                              Jacked

                                                                in 2k you need to right click as lifestealer. so build traditionally may be better. solar is still good. but u can go like solar deso

                                                                Shou

                                                                  You can right click with rad wut
                                                                  What r u even saying, how can u not right click as ls?

                                                                  Jacked

                                                                    build stuff to augment rightclicking.

                                                                    Jacked

                                                                      rather than spending 5k gold on radiance.

                                                                      Eddie

                                                                        Gonna try this rad build let's see if it works in 3k. Not very hopeful

                                                                        CUTNPASTE

                                                                          I think it's really good vs illusion lineups like pl/tb that naix traditionally struggles against, against other stuff I think you only go for it if your teams initiation is lacking and you get the space to farm up the radi.

                                                                          Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                            i tried it. not so good. i dont think any other item would save that game, but you can buy a fucking deso/sy with the relic money which gives you a good powerspike much earlier.

                                                                            Shou

                                                                              I just think that u can make do with a medallion early, and go radiance, because at least for me, I start falling behind in farm midgame if ganks fail. Plus with solar and rad u r super tanky and hard to kill so you become a much better Sieger. I think there r games where u can go armlet first, and after rad solar u usually go sny, but I feel like rad solar at around 25ish min makes u feel real strong.

                                                                              CUTNPASTE

                                                                                I went Midas radi and outcarried a pl with this build but I wouldn’t recommend the build for a normal game.

                                                                                Feachairu

                                                                                  listen to the cnp guys,that time i go midas too directly!
                                                                                  but its soo long ago
                                                                                  why im still replying

                                                                                  Kotato

                                                                                    last game had against Lifestelaer with radiance. While he got his items timely, he was not a problem to our team (easily kited or bursted down). So please think twice before going this magic shit item

                                                                                    Jacked

                                                                                      @story The whole point of radiance is to synergize with the fact that you run around not hitting people (in high mmr). But you're kinda tankier, clear waves better, and do more aoe dmg in team fights. Very important for high level games. You can kinda farm it fast with a good start and good coordinated team.

                                                                                      So it doesn't really work in your average 2k pubs. But really the advice is to stay away from this hero. he has a shit winrate in Low mmr and if u spend 30 min in 2k trying to farm radiance I guarantee you the game is lost.

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                                                                                      Shou

                                                                                        ^well ls is a team coordination hero but still
                                                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3739517793

                                                                                        Shou

                                                                                          ^well ls is a team coordination hero but still
                                                                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3739517793

                                                                                          core or whore

                                                                                            Played against this today its okay the lifestealer really only came online after radiance id say its pretty good hec, radiance on any tanky frontline hero is good and getting the ms talent at 15 makes you do so much more. A lifestealer running at you at max ms with radiance rage on is legit

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                                                                                            Kotato

                                                                                              HanYolo, run around and not hitting people makes no sense as LS want to hit people with his sweet 7,5%-feast ability and high attack speed. Also he is not tanking if he doesnot hit heros (tankiness comes only from feast hp recovery)

                                                                                              And if you really want farming item - get BF as other melee heros now. So much better than rad

                                                                                              Feachairu

                                                                                                but wat about midas!??!! wat about armlet?!
                                                                                                wai regen wai cleave on ls

                                                                                                Shou

                                                                                                  Ls is tanky with solar because he already has hp and with armor and evasion he becomes much harder to bring down

                                                                                                  Jacked

                                                                                                    LS is up there as one of the most kited heroes what are you talking about. He's in the front lines running around not hitting shit while tanking everything so of course he needs to be tanky. Like wraith king likes radiance as well. Sometimes underlord abaddon omni for the same reason. You don't go battlefury on these heroes if you can go radiance. It's not just for the farming but for all reasons I've stated.

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