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Wrath

    Hey guys, im planning on building a gaming pc since my laptop is no longer supporting my career in gaming.
    So, what do you recommend me to get if, lets say, i have ~600$.
    I only need it to play dota in high setting without fps dropping or glitching, and lets say to play witcher 3 in ok-ish setting.
    Either Nvidia or Radeon, Intel or AMD, it is fine.

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      EBELEX.COM

        u buy a $200 pc and spend other $400 on slиts cuz being a ns u dont need more than 30 fps

        Wrath

          Hey man, i just want a recommendation to build a pc, and its not even a high-end pc.
          Sorry if my lack of skills annoy you.

          Dire Wolf

            $600 not including software, monitor or peripherals? That's doable but you'll have to sacrifice on gpu or cpu.

            Ram, 8gb is kind of on the low end but for budget pc it's fine. Any good brand you can get 4x2gb of ddr4 ram for $50. I'd go with gskill ripjaw series.

            Mobo, get a full atx intel, but you don't need bells and whistles. If you hit a sale you can get them for $80, but normal price is like $100. Asus and msi are good brands. I would never get a micro atx even though they start at like $60 cus they have no room for expansion of stuff like ram or harddrives.

            Case, you can find quality cases for $50. Just get one with fans included that has good reviews. Like this, it's $60 but you get the idea.

            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147161&ignorebbr=1

            So now we're to the hard parts. You probably need to settle for a 1050ti, which will run 1080p games very well but you won't be able to max out witcher 3 anti aliasing or anything. They start at $140.

            PSU get a name brand but you won't need more than 500-600w. Look for sales, this thermaltake is $30 after a rebate.
            http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153232

            $50 will get you a tb hard drive from a brand name like western digital or seagate.

            I don't know much about ssd performance specs but I know samsung evos are like the highest rated. A 128gb evo is $60 or go up to a 256 for around $100. We'll go $60 for ya for this exercise. Other brands are less but they might not be reliable.

            So what are we at?
            $50 ram
            $100 mobo
            $60 case
            $30 psu
            $140 gpu
            $50 hd
            $60 ssd
            $20 obligatory dvd rom drive
            = $510

            Now this is where it gets interesting. Cus if I were you I wouldn't want less than a core i5. The 6600 is $205. The 6600k is only $15 more at $220 but remember it doesn't have a cooler. The non k models do and you won't really need to overclock this beast anyway so you'll save money. At $205 you're at $715 which is over budget. But going intel which I would strongly recomend only other option is an i3 6300 skylake which is still $150 putting you at $660. I think it's so much worth the extra $60 for a quad core, that dual core is just not going to keep up with newer games.

            Actually if it has to be a choice between an ssd or the i5 I'd go cpu every time and add an ssd later.

            Of course you could go amd. The 8500 vishera something or other is like same price as the i3 and their mobos are usually less, but they aren't fast, you just get more cores.

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            Wrath

              @Dire Wolf
              Thank you so much, it s really helpful
              Anyway, is it okay to not buy a better cooler for an i5 or above cpu? Im afraid if its gonna be a problem later on cause of overheating.

              JOVI

                direwolf pogchamp

                clueless clown

                  In addition to what direwolf said, you will also need an MD5# optical integral line coupled with a local router. Then you may want a giga drive template 2600 for a direct connection to the satellite next to the moon

                  Chadzpyre

                    vhs pc

                    Jacked

                      How is it possible to custom build a PC for so cheap?

                      neveragain

                        build your own pc is cheaper than buy the ready one . I guess so ..

                        clueless clown

                          Cuz branded computers charge extra for assembling the components into a useful product. Secondly, most firms have tax to pass on to consumers via higher prices. Thirdly, the brand name itself adds more money to the table.

                          Building ur own thing doesnt involve the above

                          Dire Wolf

                            No, the stock cooler is fine especially if you don't overclock. They stopped selling the stock coolers with the "k" models cus those ones are unlocked multipliers so the only reason people buy them is to overclock and most builders would replace the cooler anyway, though it's probably not 100% necessary unless you oc to extremes. But it's a pretty good way for the cpus to appear cheaper cus they can remove ~$10 of the cost to manufacture and ~$20 off the price.

                            Yes, if you buy a cyber power or something you are paying someone to assemble it, list it for sale, advertise, all of that.

                            The other problem with buying prebuilt pcs is you don't know all the components in them. They are notorious for having really cheap hard drives and psus. Sometimes they work fine, sometimes they don't. I think most of the components on those things all come from the same place, hell they might even be the same products all built in china or something, but it's like with SSDs. All SSD materials come from a couple places in china but they all test and rate out differently and then the best performing ones end up in the best more expensive brands like the samsung evos and the crappy parts get branded as no name stuff for cheaper. The western digital hd and the no name one on a prebuilt pc might actually be the same stuff, but I'd rather have a wd warranty than going through the prebuilt place.

                            They also skimp on a lot of stuff making it hard to upgrade later, like they'll put the bare minimum psu in like a 350-400w one with the build I suggested to you which means you can't ever run a high end graphics card without a psu upgrade. Or they have a micro atx mobo with 4gb of ram so you can't just add two more 8gb sticks later to get to 20, you have to scrap that 4gb. Or they'll cram everything into a really tiny case.

                            Assembling a pc is actually quite easy if all your parts work. If like your ram is bad and your motherboard won't post (that means boot correctly) that can be hard to troubleshoot and figure out what part is messing it up, but I've never had that issue. I had a bad mobo where the cpu kept overheating once and that took me a while to figure out it was the mobo and not the cpu. Replaced it and it was fine.

                            But all the parts are pretty much plug and play, just look at some vids online and it's easy.

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                            A

                              I dont uderstand your "my career on gaming" ? You want to be professional dota player? But i see you still ns in your profile? Or you just want stuck at mom basement?

                              Whoregasm

                                ^he is just trying to say his laptop is no longer functioning well for the games he wants to play, hop off man.

                                Wrath

                                  Just a joke man, jeez. Im fully aware im suck.

                                  Ellytra

                                    if u happen to have a bit more money on you, say like may $800-$1000, u could actually build something like this
                                    http://techbuyersguru.com/1000-gaming-productivity-pc-build
                                    It's actually more powerful than u think, tho i wouldn't reccommend overclocking with this settup
                                    keep in mind this is without monitor and peripherals

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                                    Dire Wolf

                                      That's a solid build and not much different from my suggestions except for a big gpu upgrade and a big ssd and no regular hd. Up to you, though idk if a 430w psu is enough for an i5 and a 1060.

                                      Ellytra

                                        it would probably depend on if it was just for gaming or not; if it is just for gaming, i dont think a hdd is necessary, but yea, the 430w might not be enough

                                        Wrath

                                          @Ellytra
                                          Thanks man for the suggestion, removing the OS (already have it) and getting a lesser gpu then its still in my budget range.
                                          Im going with 550w PSU btw.
                                          Do you think GTX 750ti is good enough for the gpu? Or should i invest more for a better one?

                                          Dire Wolf

                                            actually recommended for a gtx 1060 is only 400, but still, that's probably barely enough, depending on how many hds you hook up etc.

                                            As far as a 750ti, you wanted to play witcher 3 right?

                                            This is witcher 3 on 1080p resolution, medium settings.

                                            http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti,4787-5.html

                                            750 ti is 37 fps avg. 1050 ti is 64.6. That is a HUGE difference and for around $40. It has double the memory which means it's going to last quite a bit longer. If you play the newest games that 750 ti won't run next years games on low above 30 fps (remember witcher 3 is a 2015 game). The 1050 ti though you might make it 2-3 years on it.

                                            Here's some more results on medium, a 750 ti is a little worse than a 760 fyi. Scroll to the high detail benchmarks and it's bad, a 750ti is probably around low 20s on high and forget about ultra.

                                            http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page2.html

                                            They will play dota fine though.

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                                            Dire Wolf

                                              Actually I didn't realize a 1050 and a 1050 ti were so close in performance, don't even think about a 750 ti, the 1050 is same price and miles better. For the money the 1050 is probably the best deal, unless you want to overclock your ti card.

                                              Don Piva

                                                FX 8150
                                                GTX 750 TI
                                                8 GB RAM 1666MHZ
                                                SSD 120GB
                                                HD 1TB
                                                ANY AM3+ MOBO

                                                Dire Wolf

                                                  you cant even buy an fx8150 anymore it's like 4 years old... why do you guys keep suggesting the most out of date shit? you go lower tier on newest stuff always better deal

                                                  Bojji

                                                    processor : i5-6500
                                                    Mobo : Asus H110M-D d4
                                                    RAM : 1x8 gb
                                                    VGA : Zotac Gtx 1050
                                                    HDD : 1TB
                                                    PSU : Seasonic 450W 80+ bronze
                                                    Case : any normal case
                                                    Monitor : minimum 5ms, 60Hz, 1080p

                                                    I'm not sure of the price in your country, but should around or lower than $600

                                                    Wrath

                                                      @Dire Wolf
                                                      Thats a really good comparison, never know 750ti and 1050 have that big difference, performance-wise. Seems like 1050 or 1060 is the way to go.
                                                      @Don Piva
                                                      Thanks for the suggestion, but yeah, cant find any fx-8150 in stores anymore.

                                                      twitch.tv/afeect

                                                        Save some more and get something decent pls

                                                        twitch.tv/afeect

                                                          pro tip: dont spend as little as u have on a low end garbage, it's a waste of money. u better of with high end used stuff than a new low end crap. It might even cost u ~ the same as those new parts, but it will perform sooo much better.

                                                          salt enjoyer

                                                            New intel processors do not have a stock cooler btw, they stopped that awhile back afaik.

                                                            Like Afeed said buying low end stuff is a waste of money as you're not actually getting good PC just a new one. If you have limited money buy top end of the last generation vs the low end of the new one, you will get way way better performance.

                                                            salt enjoyer

                                                              - Don't by a 10 series look for a good 9xx series on the top end.
                                                              - 8GB of ram minimum
                                                              - i5 is fine, i7 gives you minimal performance in most games and allows you to save £100
                                                              - invest in a SSD even if it's a small one, use it for OS and games if big enough it makes a difference.
                                                              - get a case with good airflow, cheap cases don't always have best airflow.
                                                              - DO NOT get a cheap PSU i still have mine from 4 years ago cause it's amazing and I will never need to swap it (think silverstone)

                                                              Dire Wolf

                                                                Havoc only the k series exclude coolers. The 6600 has one.

                                                                As far as last gen stuff it's only cheaper if it's used. The 960s and 970s are still same list prices and cost about the same as 1060 and 1070

                                                                not arin

                                                                  wish i haven't lived in a country where computer components are ridiculously expensive

                                                                  salt enjoyer

                                                                    £199 for an OC 970
                                                                    £389 for a stock 1070

                                                                    brand new

                                                                    Ellytra

                                                                      imo, 750ti, as @Dire Wolf said, is not a good option as if you want to play Witcher 3, it will run at around 30 fps, a 1050 or 1060 is way better for a game like that, ur 550 psu might be ok for a 1070 at max possibly, depending on ur cpu, coolers etc.
                                                                      if ur looking for amd, try the rx series, they're really popular currently.
                                                                      from my perspective, i prefer amd over nvidia for graphics, just cos their cards are a bit cheaper, but relatively provide the same value
                                                                      for a cpu, any i5 should be ok, i would recommend i5 6500, since ur not overclocking. if u r tho, i5 6600k is a nice cpu
                                                                      motherboard, a h170 board should be fine, if u want to go further try a z170
                                                                      min 8 gb ram, go ddr4
                                                                      and ur case should have good airflow and a good cooler, dont use the stock coolers from whatever brand ur buying from

                                                                      Wrath

                                                                        Thanks for all your tips and suggestions, much appreciated.
                                                                        So i am down to these:
                                                                        Intel based build

                                                                        i think this build pretty much just as like what most of you guys suggest. I could spend 60$ more to get 1060 instead of 1050 ti, but i dunno if that would be necessary.
                                                                        and
                                                                        AMD based build

                                                                        since i heard that vishera fx-8350 is pretty decent, and also much cheaper than the i5-6500. With this build i could invest more to get the Radeon RX-470, which is much better than the 1050 ti (i think?).
                                                                        Both have about the same price which is ~700$.
                                                                        Which one do you prefer? Please if you guys have any addition, feel free to comment. Thanks.

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                                                                        Bojji

                                                                          Since you are getting an i5-6500 means you're not going to overclock
                                                                          Z170 mobo is for overclocking
                                                                          Get a B150M or H110M mobo, they are cheaper
                                                                          you can save the budget to get gtx 1060