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General DiscussionNew Patch After Frankfurt

New Patch After Frankfurt in General Discussion
Nikosh Adhar

    So, There is suppose to be a new patch after Frankfurt Major, So what do you think about new patch?
    I think alche won't get nerfed in the new patch. Maybe, they will reduce damage of acid spray a bit and that's it.
    There would be 2-3 major buffed hero that will destroy the pubs :D

    TheMaverick427

      I think they might reduce the gold he gets from bounty runes slightly. Apart from that most people seem to be saying Tusk, Windranger, Winter Wyvern, Dazzle, QOP and Slardar will get nerfed. Probably Doom as well. Maybe Meepo and Bane. This is meant to be a big patch and considering Icefrog called 6.85 a "small balancing patch" its probably going to change quite a lot of stuff

      Luxon

        Why would they nerf meepo?

        3 booty cheeks

          Pit Lord HYPE

          lm ao

            pls dont nerf waifu runner

            Livin' Real Good

              every patch we get closer and get closer to a Slark meta, just wait. heheheheh'

              Soultrap

                No, it must be Lion meta next.

                Riguma Borusu

                  I really hope that fucking shackle gets nerfed or reworked. It used to be a skillshot some time in the past, now it's fucking brain dead.

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                    I want to see buffs to farming in general (buff jungle & lane creeps bounties). It's not rewarding at all right now. Also buffs to Storm, Tinker wouldn't be bad. Nerf Doom, Dazzle, Slardar, Bane, Wyvern, Tusk, Brood, SF, Ebola Spirit, Ember, Undying, Alchemist. Nerf all "save ur ass" items like force staff, glimmer, ghost scepter, eul. Make it so carries can actually carry & make farming a viable strat for other heroes than SF, AM. Nerf offlane in general, because it results in most carries being unviable in the current patch. I hope we can see more strats than current 5man mid from minute 8 & dual lanes. I want trilanes back.

                    Totentanz to The King: M ...

                      Just nerf Tusk, SF and WW. Especially WW though, she is the biggest cancer of a hero ever.

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                        ^I'm pretty sure it's Dazzle, Tusk & Doom. Those heroes are even more cancerous than WW.

                        Pale Mannie

                          Actually will Arc Warden be introduced in 6.86 maybe or later
                          BUT WE WANT PITLORD

                          still
                          dont nerf Doom pls ._.
                          nerf that eternal pub cancer called Pudge with its angry russians asking for mid so there will be peace in pubs
                          and waifurunner a bit

                          Reese

                            I hope so much that wr becomes trash

                            BlackXargon

                              lol. people are never contented.

                              farm meta boring
                              come back meta unfair
                              fight meta dont want

                              what now

                              Pale Mannie

                                Incoming nerf to Slardars ult

                                Radec

                                  Besides Tusk and Slar, I don't like any of the heroes that are considered OP. Volvo said the next major patch is coming mid-December. Any buffs to LD and Dusa are appreciated.

                                  everything can work

                                    Alchemist and Slardar should not get a nerf at least not a major nerf like for example troll recieved in 6.84. Just nerf Tusk he was in meta too long and is really strong.

                                    Lost in this world

                                      remove gold gain for being in range of kill while doing nothing , pls frog

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                                      Pom Pom 🍕

                                        I just hope they nerf 5-man dota, and nerf the net worth-based kill bounties. For individual heroes I miss Axe and more Naga. Not many teams pick Naga much anymore (outside Alliance and C9). Farmed LDs are fun to watch as well, but it's been like 2 years since he was a relevant hero.

                                        xX420bootywizuurddXx

                                          why the fuck would they nerf QOP of pain? she's always a good pick, sure, but seems pretty balanced..

                                          Pale Mannie

                                            Can it be that new items will come like drums lvl 2 for example?

                                            Mekarazium
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                                              DC.MASON

                                                THERE IS NOTHING WRONG OR OVERPOWERED ABOUT SF OR DAZZLE YOU CRYBABIES
                                                PLEASE NO NERFS

                                                5555555555

                                                  Only nerf slardar needs is ulti vision. Or at least increase the Slithereen Crush cooldown from 8 to 12 and he's good.

                                                  Dance of the NeoVim

                                                    I want a goddamn carry patch. I wants to farmz !!!

                                                    bomzh s benzopiloi

                                                      I WONDER IT WILL BE SOMETHING LIKE 5 MEEPOS CAN USE BKB

                                                      lightningbolt

                                                        Buffs to Outworld Developer plz, also i wanna see buff to wraith kings aghs, something like you go wraith before you pop reincarnation and aegis including allies, ye would make aghs ye

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                                                          MILNOR

                                                            Feels like SF has been a strong pick forever. He needs a holiday, make him trash just for one patch.

                                                            plz do

                                                              i think mr icefrog will buff int&agi carries a bit again - at least int carry items like bloodstone. he nerfed it too hard imo.

                                                              lightningbolt

                                                                Buff techies again, their legacy must continue

                                                                Livin' Real Good

                                                                  +1 for buff tinker? anyone? :L

                                                                  Dire Wolf

                                                                    yeah shackleshot always seems to hit now, didn't used to be that way. Maybe something changed.

                                                                    I think slardar needs siltheren crush to be magical dmg, that way it's not a bajillion dmg amped by his ult at lvl 6. Then get rid of the dmg reduction on his sprint but reduce it to 14/21/28/35% or something.

                                                                    5555555555

                                                                      ^Nerfing Slardar's movespeed is better than Sprint getting nerfed.

                                                                      OGVelociraptor.TTV

                                                                        OD needs to be buffed. Make his ult penetrate magic immunity

                                                                        Aimstrong

                                                                          Patch coming middle of December if you didn't know it, 20min after Major this was known

                                                                          Yujiro

                                                                            They should nerf Doom's scorched earth slightly, maybe decrease both the amount of healing and cooldown a little bit. But LVL? Death (Doom's E) should be nerfed too heavily, increase cooldown, decrease damage, increase mana cost. I would be happy if they buff void slightly so he will be back in meta. Game with faceless void is always fun you know... Also Alche's acid spray should be nerfed, he is too OP on midlane by spamming it, maybe if they change so acid spray will deal half damage to enemy heroes and full damage to creeps, that would be balanced. That's all.

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                                                                            MARLAN

                                                                              meepo desperately needs some buffs NOT nerfs.

                                                                              the only reason he works a BIT in comp scene is because he is such a weird hero nobody knows how to play against him.

                                                                              it's basically just a cheese strat, but in pubs the hero is useless. if you look at how much meepo spammers played meepo a few patches ago to now, you'll see a huge decrease, that's because meepo sucks unless you get a perfect matchup.

                                                                              TripleSteal-

                                                                                meepo in competitive is perfectly balanced now, thats the last hero in the game that needs buffs or nerfs.

                                                                                and I guess pros know to play against meepo cz he was a picked a lot both in comp and in high tier pubs.

                                                                                MARLAN

                                                                                  i disagree.

                                                                                  meepo loses when he gets focused, because he steals whole team's XP+GP on the map so if he dies it's like a position 0 dying in a team of positions 3,4,5,6.

                                                                                  BUT, when he had respawn reduction combined with enormous gold for buyback, it was a bit OP because he could just force barracks with his 3 lives, then reset in 5-10 mins and do it again if the game isn't already over.

                                                                                  when they removed respawn reduction it was a fair nerf, but he still had his 3 lives, and even then, at least if he dies he can come back and still fight them.

                                                                                  but because meepo relies on gold advantage to be good, and that coupled with the rubberband mechanic, if you die once it's an enormous disadvantage because your position 0 just became a position 1, and your team is still 3,4,5,6.

                                                                                  if you do the 3 life suicide for barracks tactic, you basically just lost the game. (assuming you can't close off of that, which probably half of the time you can't.)

                                                                                  it's mainly the fact that meepo saps his team's XP/GP the whole game, coupled with the fact that he needs a gold advantage to do well.

                                                                                  so meepo is still a VERY POWERFUL hero, HOWEVER he loses games if you don't do perfect. a simple mistake costs you the game. if you think you have retards in all your games, if you play meepo you will have poor underleveled retards.

                                                                                  i just really have no idea how to balance him though. he sucks in pubs, because you pretty much have to ace the game or your retards will feed even harder than they normally do.

                                                                                  he is OK in comp because your team presumably knows how to play around meepo and won't do dumb shit, and buffing him for comp would make him OP there.

                                                                                  idk.

                                                                                  i honestly feel he is a game loser for pubs. i can play him and go 20-0 easily, but if i make more than 1 mistake the game is over because my team has no farm. taking objectives is too hard of a concept even for 5k retards.

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                                                                                  TripleSteal-

                                                                                    you start ur comment with "i disagree", and in conclusion say the same thing as i said, wadifuq?

                                                                                    i consider that patches should aim comp dota rather than pub one in terms of balance.

                                                                                    Aimstrong

                                                                                      I consider Storm should be buffed again

                                                                                      TripleSteal-

                                                                                        ^+. he is one of the most fun-to-play and fun-to-watch heroes, so he probably will get some buff.

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                                                                                        MARLAN

                                                                                          i don't think meepo is balanced though, that's my point.

                                                                                          he is balanced in comp, but not in pubs.

                                                                                          maybe just balance him for pubs and disallow him in CM or something.

                                                                                          it's not like anyone plays that hero in comp anyway. even with w33/notail we only got like 2 meepo games or something through the tournament (main stage)

                                                                                          Aimstrong

                                                                                            Every hero should be able to be in CM, also (n)Earth Spirit

                                                                                            MILNOR

                                                                                              Storm will get buffed in the patch before TI6.

                                                                                              Aimstrong

                                                                                                Ult Activation mana cost from 15+0.7% to 30+0.8%
                                                                                                Remnant vision reduced enough to lose vision in the rosh pit
                                                                                                Remnant cost no scaling anymore, straight 100 mana = you can use it 3 times at lvl 1 (with Null + 2 gg branches you can do it even 4 times, soo overpowered!)
                                                                                                One patch before, the vision from the ult got nerfed too, from 1000 to 400 I think

                                                                                                It's really time for buffs again

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                                                                                                Giff me Wingman

                                                                                                  It's as marlan said, current meta Meepo is really shit. If icefrog changes the bounty, meepo will be balanced again.

                                                                                                  Pale Mannie

                                                                                                    Chen will be the next cancer hero Kappa

                                                                                                    twizz -

                                                                                                      Storm had same abilities from the begining.. after he became meta hero just get nerfed in time. Wr and sf have the same abilities expect shakeshot. Now they will nerf wr and sf because you guys crying a lot.

                                                                                                      Dance of the NeoVim

                                                                                                        Storm Spirit? Fuck that shit, I just got over the whole zip-zap bullshit. 0-5 storm losing mid, going woods, getting a couple of kills off the back of his team then he has his fucking bloodstone and half an orchid and then he's so hard to kill and just snags kills left and right.
                                                                                                        All games against storm were just crap since if you couldn't end it by 25-30 minutes he would get 2 major items and just go wild on your team.
                                                                                                        No, thanks! None of that crap anymore..